This set definitely looks very dgm'ish, Brimaz seems like it'll be a $40 card and then nothing else will come close. the minor gods all seem very fun but you really have to build around them in a way you don't have to with say Purphorous. as you guys have all figured out the uncommons look like they'll really shake up the Limited format (which is awesome bc I don't play constructed really)
Inspired looks like it'll rise the stock of Aqueous Form and Prowler's Helm. Slapping a Form on one of those creature-gen things and going to town seems like a good time. I like Tribute too, I think a lot of people have a bad reaction to any sort of "punisher" card but I think these are different because traditional punisher cards give you things that are bad in two very different ways while these are generally bad in the same way. Like they're all probably worse than they look but many of them seem very playable
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
Perplexing Chimera is probably my favorite card in the set right now, especially since it combos neatly with bounce or flicker effects. Next is probably Hunter's Prowess. I also dig Tromokrasis a lot and hope that both those abilities get used from now on. But these are all 25 cent rares. Kinda refreshing in a way to have a set with almost no chase rares outside of the obligitory overpowered mythic.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link
perplexing chimera is going to be the most groan inducing card an opponent can resolve. so annoying.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 24 January 2014 14:47 (ten years ago) link
Does it combo well with bounce/flicker effects? Can't your opponent choose to take control of your bounce spell and hit something else with it? I guess if there's no other targets, they can't.
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link
yeah but then you get the Chimera back anyway
not saying the card's any good but I love when they come up with totally new things like that (the divide into 3 piles and lose one card is also quite a unique thing, but that's not even remotely playable)
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, you get the Chimera back, but they've potentially bounced whatever you stole in the first place and it's back to square one. But maybe that's fine? It's a hard card for me to get my head around. Seems playable in limited, but I can't tell how good it is. I guess at the least it delays them from playing their best spell, like having a face-up Voidmage Prodigy on the board.
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
I wanted to build a Modern Seance deck and this seems like it could fit. If your graveyard is stocked you can play Seance, zip this out on the opponent's turn and take control of anything bad they might cast (and the token bites it at the end of the turn anyway), then combo off on your turn. Anything to make the deck wackier than it already is...
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link
i'd be really suprised if brimaz is a voice of resurgence situation, there's 2 other mythics that are probably as good as it in xenagos and kiora, and the rest of the gods will probably hold value too. DGM's problem was making the headlining characters regular rares and then making most of the mythics shitty
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
Well for one those (and the other gods) are all multicolor so that really limits the sort of decks they can go in. The major gods were cheaper and triggered with 2 other permanents in play whereas you'll probably need 3 out for these. In other words I feel like there's probably only one deck out there for any of these. I'm also wondering just how good Kiora really is, its starting loyalty is low which means it'll usually die to anything that hits it. Like often I figure you'll have to choose between using the 0 ability that you really want to use and the +1 that will keep it alive. Also I question what kind of deck it'll fit in. Brimaz seems so pushed right now that it may be another Baneslayer situation, as in you can just slot it into any ol' white deck and it'll pull its weight.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
yeah I don't like kiora at all, even in limited she seems pretty meh
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
Anyway, the starcity guys (who are a lot smarter than me) break it down like this:
Brimaz $30Kiora $25Xenagos $25 (now that I think about it there's already a Standard deck this would slide right into)Mogis $20Other Gods and Flame-Weathered Phoenix $10
Not a lot of other rares worth money (similar to Theros I guess):Courser of Kruphix $4Pain Seer $12Spirit of the Labyrinth $8Temples $5 each
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
And even then I think Pain Seer will probably tank hard once people realize that it's going to be really tough to make it more than a Grizzly Bear with all the great creatures currently in Standard. If Dark Confidant didn't exist this would probably be a $3 card right now. I'm also thinking Spirit of the Labyrinth isn't going to get much play outside of sideboards right now (and Legacy-oriented cards like that tend to not be worth a whole lot while they're in print)
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah none of the almost-dark-confidants have panned out and spirit will be this set's swan song
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link
even xenagos in the gr deck is what a 1-2 of? in one of the less popular decks
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
I'm guessing people who got burned from the gods sinking in value so fast last time will be hesitant to buy/trade them even at 20
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
i think kiora is quite good but i'm no expert obviously
my sleeper pick for this set is scourge of skola vale, i don't think it's awesome but i think it's playable and at a cmc slot that green's had a lot of trouble filling in recent times, and it's being priced as a bulk rare by scg so its like low risk medium reward
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
yeah no way the minor gods are settling north of $10
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
I like the design of the Scourge but it has the problem of needing some work to become a threat and even then not having a way to protect itself. Unless there's a combo with the +1/+1 counters somewhere.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
i think xenagos does, and if brimaz, xenagos, and tamiyo are all >$10 and a few of the regular rares break out to the $5-10 range then we've got a pretty average small set value-wise. its the latter that i don't know if is going to happen.
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
the best chance is that these 3 temples are worth >$5 due to the small set effect
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
people thought dark ascension was shitty when it came out, similar to this, and then falkenrath aristocrat and hellrider broke out later in the year and it ended up being a fine set in retrospect, it just took a bit
― ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
to me the mythics here seem less promising than the mythics in dragonsmaze did (lots of which seemed to have potential, even though only voice and baron went anywhere) + there are no random shocklands in packs
― iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link
Both Aristocrat and Hellrider seemed pushed upon release but there wasn't a deck for them until later. I don't really see that sort of card here. The Phoenix and Spirit of the Labyrinth are the two cards that seem real good but need the right deck or metagame, and they're 10 and 8 right now.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
Maybe Herald of Torment?
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link
Yeah I think Herald has a chance of getting play. Reminds me of Boon Satyr in terms of cost/power level.
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
I also think Kiora looks pretty sweet. Her abilities map to Jace, Architect of Thought's abilities somewhat, but the ultimate is more powerful, and it's quicker to go off. The tradeoff is smaller starting loyalty. We'll see if there is a deck for her.
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
I agree that the power level is similar but being 2 color limits the sort of decks that it gets played in. If a deck does get built around Prophet of Kruphix and Ephara I can see it working very well...
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
I could see UW Control decks splashing G for Kiora too. Though then it competes directly with Jace.
― Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link
I'm looking forward to someone building a crazy mill deck around Mill God + Mnemonic Walls + Triton Tactics + Hidden Strings
― Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
As someone at my LGS noticed, Pheanx + Consuming Aberration are BFFs
― frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link
current modern deck, since lamp was asking about modern the other dayhttp://i.imgur.com/0Zi1QE5.jpg
pretty happy with it so far, i think the cryptic command build is probably fine too but i want 4 valakut 3-4 omen in any version of the deck i play right now
― ciderpress, Saturday, 25 January 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link
Got in 380 pre-release kits (which is 100 more than I need, oops) and assorted goodies to go along with it. Kinda wish I could sleep at my office tonight, I suddenly don't trust the alarm.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
the store i play at just sells off the extra kits afterwards, since they have 6 booster packs worth of cards in them and thus are presumably worth about that much. sometimes they do another event with extra ones the following weekend too.
there's inevitably one color that runs out before the others, but which one it is seems to vary not only from set to set but from store to store as well. around here it's usually blue.
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 04:01 (ten years ago) link
yeah ime people tend to really like the guild packs and enjoy having events with them so it shouldn't be a problem to get rid of the extra 100. store here also sell them for what the charge for the prerelease
― Lamp, Friday, 31 January 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link
pretty weird shit going on here, someone found a promo from an unknown/not-yet-announced product in their prerelease kithttp://i.imgur.com/Byl2JQz.jpg
looks pretty real and rk post has confirmed that it's his art
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link
its probably just the summer multiplayer supplemental product, but 210 cards is a lot for one of those and they haven't had prerelease-style promos for them before.
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link
yeah the effect makes no sense if it's not multiplayer
― iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link
maybe most of those cards are reprints?
― frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link
cool ability though
― frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
further weirdness - the card had a phone number printed on the back, people called it and it was like a numbers station style thing with a ciphered message thats been decoded to:
Cogwork Librarian (4)Artifact Creature - ConstructDraft Cogwork Librarian face up. As you draft a card you may draft an additional card from that booster pack. If you do, put Cogwork Librarian into that booster pack.3/3
so looks like some sort of multiplayer draft format
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link
ha
― iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
Haha that's awesome. I'm ready for regular Magic to absorb that card into the game, a la Barren Glory.
― Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
dial 1-425-204-2672 you can hear it yourself
― frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link
kinda seems like the accidental spoiling of Rootborn Defenses last year wound up getting a lot of people excited and thus WoTC maybe thought "we should do something like that on purpose"
― frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
I could have sworn they did this before, a planned "accidental" spoiling
― Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link
Man, there's some really cool things they could do in this vein. A card that lets you see or steal or restrict your opponent's draft picks, maybe
― Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link
eh that actually gets into ante-zone 'no you don't get to pick the voice you just opened -> (quits magic)'
― iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
they did ARG marketing stuff leading up to Innistrad but that's the only time in the past they've done anything like this really.
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link
xp Ah yeah, good point. Some people are suggesting it will be sold as more of a set to be cube drafted with rather than boosters, in which case it would be fine.
― Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
yeah it makes sense that a cube product would involve great-but-not-tournament-sanctioned cards, as any reprints of real-expensive-cards is gonna create some problems
― iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link