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i think xenagos does, and if brimaz, xenagos, and tamiyo are all >$10 and a few of the regular rares break out to the $5-10 range then we've got a pretty average small set value-wise. its the latter that i don't know if is going to happen.

ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link

the best chance is that these 3 temples are worth >$5 due to the small set effect

ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link

people thought dark ascension was shitty when it came out, similar to this, and then falkenrath aristocrat and hellrider broke out later in the year and it ended up being a fine set in retrospect, it just took a bit

ciderpress, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link

to me the mythics here seem less promising than the mythics in dragonsmaze did (lots of which seemed to have potential, even though only voice and baron went anywhere) + there are no random shocklands in packs

iatee, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Both Aristocrat and Hellrider seemed pushed upon release but there wasn't a deck for them until later. I don't really see that sort of card here. The Phoenix and Spirit of the Labyrinth are the two cards that seem real good but need the right deck or metagame, and they're 10 and 8 right now.

frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link

Maybe Herald of Torment?

frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link

Yeah I think Herald has a chance of getting play. Reminds me of Boon Satyr in terms of cost/power level.

Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link

I also think Kiora looks pretty sweet. Her abilities map to Jace, Architect of Thought's abilities somewhat, but the ultimate is more powerful, and it's quicker to go off. The tradeoff is smaller starting loyalty. We'll see if there is a deck for her.

Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link

I agree that the power level is similar but being 2 color limits the sort of decks that it gets played in. If a deck does get built around Prophet of Kruphix and Ephara I can see it working very well...

frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link

I could see UW Control decks splashing G for Kiora too. Though then it competes directly with Jace.

Vinnie, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link

I'm looking forward to someone building a crazy mill deck around Mill God + Mnemonic Walls + Triton Tactics + Hidden Strings

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link

As someone at my LGS noticed, Pheanx + Consuming Aberration are BFFs

frogbs, Friday, 24 January 2014 20:24 (ten years ago) link

current modern deck, since lamp was asking about modern the other day
http://i.imgur.com/0Zi1QE5.jpg

pretty happy with it so far, i think the cryptic command build is probably fine too but i want 4 valakut 3-4 omen in any version of the deck i play right now

ciderpress, Saturday, 25 January 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

Got in 380 pre-release kits (which is 100 more than I need, oops) and assorted goodies to go along with it. Kinda wish I could sleep at my office tonight, I suddenly don't trust the alarm.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link

the store i play at just sells off the extra kits afterwards, since they have 6 booster packs worth of cards in them and thus are presumably worth about that much. sometimes they do another event with extra ones the following weekend too.

there's inevitably one color that runs out before the others, but which one it is seems to vary not only from set to set but from store to store as well. around here it's usually blue.

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 04:01 (ten years ago) link

yeah ime people tend to really like the guild packs and enjoy having events with them so it shouldn't be a problem to get rid of the extra 100. store here also sell them for what the charge for the prerelease

Lamp, Friday, 31 January 2014 04:08 (ten years ago) link

pretty weird shit going on here, someone found a promo from an unknown/not-yet-announced product in their prerelease kit
http://i.imgur.com/Byl2JQz.jpg

looks pretty real and rk post has confirmed that it's his art

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:42 (ten years ago) link

its probably just the summer multiplayer supplemental product, but 210 cards is a lot for one of those and they haven't had prerelease-style promos for them before.

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:43 (ten years ago) link

yeah the effect makes no sense if it's not multiplayer

iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:44 (ten years ago) link

maybe most of those cards are reprints?

frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:54 (ten years ago) link

cool ability though

frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link

further weirdness - the card had a phone number printed on the back, people called it and it was like a numbers station style thing with a ciphered message thats been decoded to:

Cogwork Librarian (4)
Artifact Creature - Construct
Draft Cogwork Librarian face up. As you draft a card you may draft an additional card from that booster pack. If you do, put Cogwork Librarian into that booster pack.
3/3

so looks like some sort of multiplayer draft format

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link

ha

iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link

Haha that's awesome. I'm ready for regular Magic to absorb that card into the game, a la Barren Glory.

Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link

dial 1-425-204-2672 you can hear it yourself

frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link

kinda seems like the accidental spoiling of Rootborn Defenses last year wound up getting a lot of people excited and thus WoTC maybe thought "we should do something like that on purpose"

frogbs, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link

I could have sworn they did this before, a planned "accidental" spoiling

Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:39 (ten years ago) link

Man, there's some really cool things they could do in this vein. A card that lets you see or steal or restrict your opponent's draft picks, maybe

Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link

eh that actually gets into ante-zone 'no you don't get to pick the voice you just opened -> (quits magic)'

iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link

they did ARG marketing stuff leading up to Innistrad but that's the only time in the past they've done anything like this really.

ciderpress, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

xp Ah yeah, good point. Some people are suggesting it will be sold as more of a set to be cube drafted with rather than boosters, in which case it would be fine.

Vinnie, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link

yeah it makes sense that a cube product would involve great-but-not-tournament-sanctioned cards, as any reprints of real-expensive-cards is gonna create some problems

iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

like even a power cube w/ gold borders

iatee, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:54 (ten years ago) link

Retraction Helix is surprisingly good in this format - not only because bounce is better in this format than average, but also because it triggers heroic and inspired at once

frogbs, Sunday, 2 February 2014 07:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah highlight of the prerelease for me was doing all sorts of crazy tricks with that card

ciderpress, Sunday, 2 February 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link

yep a pretty high % of my wins were due to having two in my first pre

iatee, Sunday, 2 February 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

the best one was in a situation where i knew my top card of deck was a helix from scrying and my opponent had one large guy holding off my team

went attack with team, flash in breaching hippocamp before blocks untapping pain seer, put the helix into my hand, helix pain seer to bounce the blocker

ciderpress, Sunday, 2 February 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link

Finally made it to a prerelease this morning and went 3-0 with a BW deck with double Fate Unraveler, Eater of Hope, Ashen Rider, Sentry, Spiteful Returned, double Bile Blight, plus several other removal spells. Probably the best sealed deck I've ever had.

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Sunday, 2 February 2014 22:05 (ten years ago) link

Deathrite Shaman now banned in Modern, Nactal and Bitterblossom unbanned

frogbs, Monday, 3 February 2014 06:17 (ten years ago) link

reasonable change imo. big picture result is that the format speeds up a bit, as nacatl likely brings back tier 1 zoo which pressures combo decks to build for speed again rather than resilience. gifts ungiven is probably the biggest winner on the control half of the spectrum. bitterblossom seems poorly positioned but i'm sure people will try to play it anyway.

i get to play a more combo-oriented melira pod deck again which is appealing to me, and i also enjoy zoo and gifts decks so this opens up a lot of strategies that i like but weren't good enough before. neat.

ciderpress, Monday, 3 February 2014 07:08 (ten years ago) link

Went 3-0-1 with a very good Izzet deck at the prerelease this weekend. Tons of removal, solid creatures. Aerie Worshippers was nuts, it took a couple games on its own. I had double Retraction Helix and was hoping to get the combo with Worshippers to really annoy people, but it never happened *sulks*

Vinnie, Monday, 3 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

omg

iatee, Monday, 3 February 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link

lol stupid dci.

Lamp, Monday, 3 February 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link

Vinnie, those inspired cards seem very strong indeed. They need to be answered right away or they just get out of control very quickly.

The card that did the most heavy lifting for me overall was Revoke Existence. There was always a target for it, it came up in almost every game I played, and it exiled Gods in three different games.

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Monday, 3 February 2014 17:11 (ten years ago) link

4 of the people sitting around me (including myself) got Gods in the clear seeded pack. I thought everyone got one.

frogbs, Monday, 3 February 2014 17:21 (ten years ago) link

Good riddance to DRS. The thing I least liked about it was what cider touched on, that it invalidates certain strategies on its own. Cards that do that should be narrower SB cards.

Vinnie, Monday, 3 February 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link

my favorite modern deck is 4 color gifts so i have mixed feelings about the drs ban but i've been arguing with iatee about whether being so aggressive with bans is good for the formats health overall.

Lamp, Monday, 3 February 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link

I used to think that constant bans/unbans were a bad thing for any format, but recently I have started thinking that having one format like that is a cool idea. Legacy bans can put you down a ton of money, while Standard bans are offputting to new players. Modern is in that sweet spot where it's mostly longtime players playing, players who are able to keep up with a changing metagame, but the cards aren't ridiculously expensive. Honestly, the willingness to play with the banned list makes me more interested in Modern.

Vinnie, Monday, 3 February 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link

But they better keep their damn government hands off my Arcbound Ravagers

Vinnie, Monday, 3 February 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link

the cards that are ridiculously expensive are kinda saved from being bannable by virtue of being ridiculously expensive

iatee, Monday, 3 February 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link


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