Paul Simon's 'Graceland'

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he had to leave the stage periodically to steal more music xp

paul simon monster

Lamp, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

i bet all that cocaine he did in the 70s wasnt even his

Lamp, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link

Woody allen wrote the lyrics, simon killed paul

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link

if indeed that is his real name

Ismael Klata, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link

Thanks for clearing this up guys. Now can someone find me the demo of The Only Living Boy in New York with the real PS lyric? "Fuck off to Mexico and make your fucking movie/You talentless hack/But don't expect me to keep carrying your sorry ass/When you get back."

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link

"so long frank lloyd wright (i'm about to kill you)"

tylerw, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link

wait Paul Simon killed John Lennon?

re: Sun City album

EMI Thorne was busy selling riot-control cattle prods to the SA police at the same time they were making money off of the Sun City album. they spun the weapons division off later, but iirc at the time is was still under the same corporate roof. that might not make a difference to the "I just like the music" types, but I always saw that album as a perfect example of well meaning liberal hypocrisy that ends up supporting what it claims to be against.

sleeve, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link

'go jump off a bridge into troubled waters'

'for emily (although they'll never find her)'

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link

xp That's not hypocrisy unless you think the weapons division approved the record - that's different arms of a conglomerate behaving in different ways and doesn't reflect badly at all on Van Zandt.

Deafening silence (DL), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link

who do you guys hate worse

paul simon

robbee roberston

you are kind, I am (waterface), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link

and surely the record's intention was to spread word abt south africa anyway, which it succeeded in doing.

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link

he says paid them *triple* scale in an interview with UNCUT last year, so if Van Zandt can't even get that fact correct, i dunno..

piscesx, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link

it was just a ploy tho to make himself seem like not an asshole... which he definitely is

lag∞n, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:15 (ten years ago) link

btw

While taking the songwriting credits to himself

erm

Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "The Boy in the Bubble" Forere Motloheloa, Paul Simon 3:59
2. "Graceland" Simon 4:48
3. "I Know What I Know" General MD Shirinda, Simon 3:13
4. "Gumboots" Lulu Masilela, Jonhjon Mkhalali, Simon 2:44
5. "Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes" Joseph Shabalala, Simon 5:45
Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
6. "You Can Call Me Al" Simon 4:39
7. "Under African Skies" Simon 3:37
8. "Homeless" Shabalala, Simon 3:48
9. "Crazy Love, Vol. II" Simon 4:18
10. "That Was Your Mother" Simon 2:52
11. "All Around the World or the Myth of Fingerprints" Los Lobos, Simon 3:15

― lag∞n, Monday, January 27, 2014 2:26 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

perhaps worth noting that OG pressing of Graceland didn't credit Los Lobos for writing music to Myth of Fingerprints - did this happen later?

http://s.pixogs.com/image/R-373375-1289409207.jpeg

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link

has anybody confirmed these pay claims of Simon's or is it just well we asked him and he says he paid the shit outta those ingrates

"he said he heard it from his friend henry kissinger" is my favorite unsourced bit of character assassination literally ever

perhaps worth noting that OG pressing of Graceland didn't credit Los Lobos for writing music to Myth of Fingerprints - did this happen later?

ha no p sure someone was just monkeying around on wikipedia

lag∞n, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link

probably los lobos

tylerw, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link

i want to say one word to you, just one word:buzzfeed (difficult listening hour)
Posted: January 27, 2014 at 7:22:00 PM
"he said he heard it from his friend henry kissinger" is my favorite unsourced bit of character assassination literally ever

lol yes virtuoso shit

lag∞n, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link

did paul simon even write la bamba

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link

I did used to think that was Paul Simon on the cover of the La Bamba soundtrack when I was a little kid.

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link

forbidden link, he's killed them already

Euler, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link

no fingerprints were ever found, it was a myth

Euler, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:28 (ten years ago) link

still so fucking crazy after all these years

tylerw, Monday, 27 January 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link

I always thought it was a coincidence that call me al was an anagram of la bamba

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:30 (ten years ago) link

wish that synth/horn hook in "You Can Call Me Al" would go on forever and ever.

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link

Paul Simon as six-string bass sessioneer

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link

yesss.

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link

Serious question - have there ever been any similar claims about songwriting around Rhythm of the Saints? He must have brought people in for that album in the same way, no? Or is there just something special about attaching villainy to Graceland's making?

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:37 (ten years ago) link

TROTS, as much as I love it, sounds like he grafted Brazilian percussion onto acoustic demos, while the Graceland compositions integrate their source material and inspirations.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link

Did Butt Rash get credit for his contribution to 'Allergies'?

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link

x-post-
Vincent Nguini, who collaborated with Simon om much of Rhythm of the Saints has also been in Simon's traveling band since. He gets credit on some TROTS songs but not others. But yes, neither he nor the others seem to have complained this time. The manner of recording and the usage of the sounds is arguably different.

http://www.americansongwriter.com/2011/10/interview-paul-simon-discusses-songwriter-and-songwriting/

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2008/04/rhymin-simon-no.html Steve Berlin of Los Lobos

curmudgeon, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link

Hey, btw, Paul Simon is touring with Sting.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link

that's the kind of shit that will get you a UN blacklist

tylerw, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link

That and giving Ban Ki-Moon a credit on 'cars are cars'

Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:34 (ten years ago) link

give henry ford credit imo

lag∞n, Monday, 27 January 2014 21:48 (ten years ago) link

Ah, helpful info.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 27 January 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link

Hey, btw, Paul Simon is touring with Sting.

this is what's kinda weird to me - people here rep hard for Graceland, it seems to me - like in a "you are fronting if you don't concede it's great" way. but fuckin'...dude touring with Sting is basically perfect. they are the same kind of songwriter. I have some love for stuff by both of them, but Simon's elevation to The Guy Who Wrote This Incredible Shit level is weird to me. He's real good sometimes. That's about it. So's Sting. But I can't imagine anybody jumping down any throats if somebody said you know what Sting sucks ass

Be srs

gelatinate mess (darraghmac), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link

this is what's kinda weird to me - people here rep hard for Graceland, it seems to me - like in a "you are fronting if you don't concede it's great" way. but fuckin'...dude touring with Sting is basically perfect. they are the same kind of songwriter. I have some love for stuff by both of them, but Simon's elevation to The Guy Who Wrote This Incredible Shit level is weird to me. He's real good sometimes. That's about it. So's Sting. But I can't imagine anybody jumping down any throats if somebody said you know what Sting sucks ass

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Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link

aero throwin down the gauntlet

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:16 (ten years ago) link

fwiw I hate the Police and Sting and everything they ever did so comparison to Simon is pretty odious to my ears

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link

I'm not gonna deny they occupy the same cultural space/audience demo but who cares about that

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link

Nah, I like Sting a lot, but he's not, in my opinion, on the same level as Simon who wrote all of S&G's (excellent) stuff and in addition to that created a respectable body of solo work. Sting wrote a lot of good stuff for the Police, but only had a nice couple of solo albums before getting stuck in AC sludge. Which is a shame, because Sting could have done some really interesting "world" music like Simon did (example: "I Burn for You"), but he...didn't.

Still, it's a show I'd think about going to see.

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:18 (ten years ago) link

Sting certainly never created a Graceland, and while neither Simon & Garfunkel nor the Police tended to create great, cohesive albums, both their final efforts (Bridge Over Troubled Water & Synchronicity) come closest, but the former blows the latter away because it's not bogged down by bizarre and disjointed Garfunkel compositions, while the latter definitely suffers from "Mother".

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:20 (ten years ago) link

sting is awesome, paul simon is even awesomer, i hope the keep stealing rad music until the polar ice caps melt and we all get eaten by merfolk

Lamp, Monday, 27 January 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link

mother does nothing but help synchronicity


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