Paul Simon's 'Graceland'

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sting is awesome, paul simon is even awesomer, i hope the keep stealing rad music until the polar ice caps melt and we all get eaten by merfolk

Lamp, Monday, 27 January 2014 23:21 (ten years ago) link

mother does nothing but help synchronicity

I can see why people would think that, but it's never done anything for me. Don't know why, but perhaps I'll revisit it someday.

president of the people's republic of antarctica (Arctic Mindbath), Monday, 27 January 2014 23:30 (ten years ago) link

yeah, one worked w/ david lynch and the other one's palling around w/ child molesters and war criminals

balls, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 00:23 (ten years ago) link

war criminals

b-b-b-ut Sting invited Stewart Copeland to his palazzo!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:12 (ten years ago) link

dude touring with Sting is basically perfect. they are the same kind of songwriter.

I can't tell if this post is ironic or not, but you do know that Simon has also toured with Dylan, right?

o. nate, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:54 (ten years ago) link

Sting played Macheath on B'way, Simon wrote a flop B'way musical

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 01:59 (ten years ago) link

I can't tell if this post is ironic or not, but you do know that Simon has also toured with Dylan, right?

so has My Morning Jacket

Eliding the fact that while sting has done a lot if things, he hasn't done any of them particularly well. His output is just loathsome all around.

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:02 (ten years ago) link

Tantric loathsome?

capeman is an incredible album

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:11 (ten years ago) link

sting toured w/ the dead

balls, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link

whereas these days Dylan tours as if he were dead

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:21 (ten years ago) link

dylan toured w/ the dead

balls, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 03:39 (ten years ago) link

bruce hornsby was in the dead

lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link

lenny bruce is still dead

bela lugosi's dead

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 04:14 (ten years ago) link

Bela Fleck jammed with Jerry.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link

(Of the Dead)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAgd9Ijw6WI

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link

siick

lag∞n, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link

Marcello doesn't like the record:

http://nobilliards.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/paul-simon-graceland.html

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 September 2014 01:29 (nine years ago) link

f that noise

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 September 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link

Graceland is one of my favorite albums ever I won't listen to alternative opinions under any circumstances so there

busted (art), Thursday, 18 September 2014 01:58 (nine years ago) link

otm

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link

also for everyone whos been getting all cultural studies on it since the 80s um whatever yr facts are backwards

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 September 2014 02:03 (nine years ago) link

unbelievable quantities of point-missing occurring in that blog post

call all destroyer, Thursday, 18 September 2014 03:44 (nine years ago) link

not so unbelievable if you've read any of the others tbh

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 18 September 2014 05:08 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I guess 28 years was long enough to let this album hang around without listening to it (for the longest time, I've only known You Can Call Me Al and Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes and nothing else). Everybody was right. This is great!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 6 October 2014 22:45 (nine years ago) link

:D

Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 October 2014 22:52 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/xg69kD8.png

lag∞n, Monday, 6 October 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link

Hall of Fame:

what was the controversy again, dq? was it that Ladysmith Black Mambazo weren't paid for appearing on the album or something?
― rener, Sunday, December 16, 2001 7:00 PM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Paul Simon made the singers suck his dick
― Mike Hanle y, Monday, December 17, 2001 7:00 PM (12 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You and Dad's Army? (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 6 October 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link

Glad to have you among us JF!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 6 October 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

There can never be too many articles about what a piece of shit Paul Simon is...
http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2012/07/17/viva-los-lobos-interview-with-steve-berlin-2/#sthash.Q9acF4rp.UyTOO1JH.dpbs

RCM: What did Waronker say?

SB: He said, “Stay a little longer. I know he’s a weird guy but just hang in there. He’s got some great ideas. It’ll get better – you just have to wait him out. He’s not an easy guy, I know.” So we stayed in there and it was just more of the same. We were booked for three days, but after the first day we said, “Okay, we’re done. There’s no way we’re coming back to this bullshit!”

And again, Lenny reached out to us and said, “Look, we really want you to do this – this is going to be a really important record for Paul.” And we’re like, “No fucking way! This guy’s a fucking idiot! He doesn’t know what he’s doing and doesn’t know what the fuck he wants. The guy is crazy.” It was such an uncomfortable environment. And I remember Lenny saying, “Come on, it’s for the family. You got to do it for the family!”

RCM: What did he mean by “the family?”

SB: Y’know, the Warner Bros. family. So how fucking stupid were we, going back in for the second day for just more of the same bullshit. At that point it’s just a standoff. Paul has no fucking ideas, we hate him, and feel like we’re being forced to be there against our will. We’re just standing there thinking, “What in the world are we doing here?”

There’s this uncomfortable silence and then Dave starts playing what would become The Myth of Fingerprints, because it was a song we were preparing for our next record. We’d been waiting around for two days for Paul to come up with something, but he had nothing. So to have something to do, we just started playing what we thought was our song, when Paul suddenly says, “Hey, that’s cool. What is that?” And we said, “Oh, it’s a song we’ve been working on.” He goes, “Hey, can we do that?” and we just thought, “Yeah — if it will get us out of this fucking studio!” So we started playing it and captured a take of it and finally escaped and thought, “Thank god this is over with!”

RCM: But you were never credited on the album, right?

SB: It was six months later the record comes out and we said, “Oh, look at this: words and music by Paul Simon.” We thought, “Well, obviously that’s a mistake.” So we called up Lenny and the record company people that we had for Paul and asked them to fix the mistake.

RCM: What was their response?

SB: Silence, silence, silence. We’re asking and asking, then finally six months later we hear from Paul and he says, “Sue me. See what happens.” That’s a direct quote, so that gives you an indication of what kind of guy he is.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 10 April 2015 07:27 (nine years ago) link

hmm.

piscesx, Friday, 10 April 2015 07:54 (nine years ago) link

At least he didn't make them suck his dick.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 April 2015 08:17 (nine years ago) link

are they still on this shit?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:02 (nine years ago) link

What play is he referring to? The Caveman didn't flop until the late nineties. Does he mean One Trick Pony? Also, my tape copy of Graceland bought in the late eighties shows Simon giving songwriting credit to many of the African musicians. I'm not playing Capn Save a Simon but this story always comes up and people give Los Lobos the benefit of the doubt.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 April 2015 11:07 (nine years ago) link

find it hard to believe that a band like Los Lobos can be bullied into kicking around a studio when they didn't want to.

https://theperfectipodcollection.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/los-lobos.jpg

piscesx, Friday, 10 April 2015 11:29 (nine years ago) link

i really hate this record, so i'm open to the idea that it was made by an insufferable jackass.

soyrev, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link

btw the year-long awkward silence after the dick-sucking joke at the start of this thread is priceless

soyrev, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:03 (nine years ago) link

From upthread, "Sting certainly never created a Graceland" - maybe Dream of the Blue Turtles approaches? The Stingster owes as much to Omar Hakim and B. Marsalis as Simon owes to Kumalo.

Oh and also to upthread - the rough drafts of the stuff from Rhythm of the Saints (I'm thinking of "The Coast" and "Spirit Voices") are alarmingly good. They were bonus tracks on some collection or other, and they include early versions of the words. Sure, I know he killed Nelson Mandela and made Los Lobos suck his dick, but the dude threw away better lyrics than a lot of people ever come up with.

Ye Mad Puffin, Friday, 10 April 2015 13:38 (nine years ago) link

And melodies, melodies, melodies.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 April 2015 13:41 (nine years ago) link

the knots ppl twist them in in order to justify hating paul simon

1. thinking los lobos stories are convincing and good and not a massive self pwn
2. saying graceland is like cultural imperialism
3. thinking paul simons music is very bad and without merit
4. becoming very passionate about the idea of paul simon being a bad person

like its ok u can just dislike paul simon and then move on with yr life i dont think anyone demands you have a theory of why paul simon is bad and hated

lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 14:32 (nine years ago) link

I like Los Lobos and Paul Simon a lot, tend to believe there story there. nonetheless, they never wrote a lyric as great as the Myth of Fingerprints, and I don't really care how hard Simon is to work with/how much of an asshole he is.

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:20 (nine years ago) link

Good for you Outic no longer caring about people you think are asses, I thought that was your big thing usually.

soyrev - if u don't like graceland you don't like southern african music, the musicianship is godly

los lobos contribution is the weakest on the album anyway it would've been better without that track and worth not much at all without Paul's lyrics and melody

Daukins (Arctic Noon Auk), Friday, 10 April 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link

And again, Lenny reached out to us and said, “Look, we really want you to do this – this is going to be a really important record for Paul.” And we’re like, “No fucking way! This guy’s a fucking idiot! He doesn’t know what he’s doing and doesn’t know what the fuck he wants. The guy is crazy.” It was such an uncomfortable environment. And I remember Lenny saying, “Come on, it’s for the family. You got to do it for the family

lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link

lol remember when he made them play drums

lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:23 (nine years ago) link

Paul has no fucking ideas, we hate him, and feel like we’re being forced to be there against our will. We’re just standing there thinking, “What in the world are we doing here?”

lag∞n, Friday, 10 April 2015 15:24 (nine years ago) link


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