It's not interesting enough to warrant my time is probably my #1 excuse.
― Poliopolice, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
oh, if we're not talking metal (and if we're not, the poll doesn't really make sense), I can answer this question with a single word: "wacky." Anything that can be described as 'wacky' and I'm gone. I don't mean Jandek or Beefheart wacky; I mean the whole 'let's-cover-this-Madonna-song-inna-grindcore-style' wacky. Also, anything remotely like Ben Folds / Barenaked Ladies / MC 900 ft Jesus / Soul Coughing etc. "Ironic covers" also sums this up.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:10 (ten years ago) link
anything remotely like Ben Folds / Barenaked Ladies
ugh
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link
and yeah i hate metal bands doing covers just to get a hit,
and JWD you can talk about metal as well as other genres. its a free for all.
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
but this thread shouldnt just be about metal its supposed to be any genres
unless of course metal is the only one ilxors cant get into
Mentions of Metal in the poll options = 6Mentions of any other genre = 0
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
The poll questions are exclusively about metal but I would welcome all opinions w/r/t other music that often provokes negative reactions. Country/Jazz/Reggae/Opera et al
but if the only genre people cant relate to is metal thats fine!
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
now tom d tell us how you dislike prog rock!
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:44 (ten years ago) link
I like it more than metal
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
lol
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
your idea of hell would be prog-metal, right?
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Not necessarily, it might be an improvement on common or garden metal
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Anyway I thought was metal was "in" with young interesting and hip people... and ILXors
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link
you're never allowed *in* metal. (go read deafheaven thread)
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
Oh I won't be doing that
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link
i bet you liked sabbath as a kid
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:54 (ten years ago) link
Was there any heavy metal bands from Paisley?
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link
not just metal, but many genres to me sound like undifferentiated mush, but with regards to metal, I watched the entire documentary on wacken,and this is not only my most favorite "metal" performance, but the only one I remember from it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6YWG69Eja0
but isn't that supposed to be the charming thing about metal? that it sounds the same in blazing hot florida and south america as it does in crypt-like cold of the umlauted regions?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
Culture Music Classical musicSexism is rife in classical musicWhy is sexism still tolerated in our industry? We need an immediate and total change in attitudes across the boardMore blogs by James Rhodes• Find what you love and let it kill you• Classical music needs an enema - not awardsFollow James Rhodes on twitter @JRhodesPianist Share 237 1 inShare6 Email James Rhodes theguardian.com, Tuesday 4 February 2014 15.43 GMT Jump to comments (38)Marin Alsop conducts the Filarmonica della Scala orchestraRecipient of snide comments … the American conductor Marin Alsop with the Filarmonica della Scala orchestra. Photograph: Marco Brescia/APClassical music is not dying (pace yet another overly-enthusiastic report at Slate.com) but there are clearly many problems in the industry.Most of them are brought on by those of us in the business itself, be it the musicians (who are for the most part precious, egocentric, grandiose and socially stunted), the gatekeepers (narcissistic, obtuse, living in the past, as resistant to change as they are entrenched in their cliques) or the record labels (risk-averse and budget-deprived, relying on their back catalogue as a life raft).
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James Rhodes theguardian.com, Tuesday 4 February 2014 15.43 GMT Jump to comments (38)
Marin Alsop conducts the Filarmonica della Scala orchestraRecipient of snide comments … the American conductor Marin Alsop with the Filarmonica della Scala orchestra. Photograph: Marco Brescia/AP
Classical music is not dying (pace yet another overly-enthusiastic report at Slate.com) but there are clearly many problems in the industry.
Most of them are brought on by those of us in the business itself, be it the musicians (who are for the most part precious, egocentric, grandiose and socially stunted), the gatekeepers (narcissistic, obtuse, living in the past, as resistant to change as they are entrenched in their cliques) or the record labels (risk-averse and budget-deprived, relying on their back catalogue as a life raft).
sound familiar for other genres?
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
that was only supposed to be the last bit
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 20:43 (ten years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/blogs/deceptivecadence/2012/02/16/146997896/why-do-people-hate-rap-and-opera
― ۩, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
the reason I don't listen to much metal is that, while heavy/uptempo rock is some of my favorite music in the world, most of the stuff that passes muster as 'metal' seems to seek out some extreme territory where it's either so fast or so slow that it doesn't really rock to me. nevermind that the 70s metal/proto metal that i like has the kind of hooks that would get a current band downgraded to mere 'hard rock.'
i dunno if there's a list option for that, though, or what the nearest equivalent would be.
― scott c-word (some dude), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 01:50 (ten years ago) link
I've never, ever been able to work out whether or not being into a piece of music is individual or more of a communal thing. If it's a communal thing and the music is part of a group ritual, then disliking the group (IF this is w/ good reason, if) might be more okay as a big part of why you don't like the music?
Anyway, I might not be who this thread is aimed at because I had significant teenage flings with Slayer, Pantera and Mayhem, and also a brief affair with Sunn, so it's more why didn't I keep them around.
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:29 (ten years ago) link
But you know. Metal often seems to be trying to go for nihilism and negativity, but expects to find those things in conventional places. But there's more nihilism in Buddy Bolden's Blues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgmZyImasvA
isn't there? And more negativity in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPnZZTVp_2A
surely?
That prob is questionable but you know what I mean
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:35 (ten years ago) link
formally anticipating the nihilism realness clusterfuck thread
― CANONICAL artists, etc., etc. (contenderizer), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:47 (ten years ago) link
Feel like I've been seeing K3rrangst about this topic on like 5 different threads recently. Ramona, I have to ask: do you accept that any of these as satisfactory reasons for people not to listen to metal a genre?
― wins, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 07:30 (ten years ago) link
http://flavorwire.com/436419/does-underground-metal-have-a-place-in-the-mainstream/
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
haha, i don't
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Ooh, I bet you're wondering how I knew'bout you're plans to make me bluewith some other guy that you knew before.Between the two of us guysyou know I love you more.It took me by surprise I must say,when I found out yesterday.Don't you know that...
I heard it through the grapevinenot much longer would you be mine.Oh I heard it through the grapevine,Oh and I'm just about to lose my mind.Honey, honey yeah.
I know that a man ain't supposed to cry,but these tears I can't hold inside.Losin' you would end my life you see,cause you mean that much to me.You could have told me yourselfthat you love someone else.Instead...
People say believe half of what you see,son, and none of what you hear.I can't help bein' confusedif it's true please tell me dear?Do you plan to let me gofor the other guy you loved before?Don't you know...
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
1a. I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say, Funky butt funky butt, take it away, Stinky butt funky butt, take it away, I thought I heard him say.
1b. I thought I heard Buddy Bolden shout, Open up the window an’ let the bad air out, Open up the window an’ let the bad air out, I thought I heard him shout. 2a. I thought I heard Judge Fogarty say, Give him thirty days in the market, take him away, Give him a good broom and take the prisoner away, I thought I heard him say.
2b. I thought I heard Frankie Dusen shout, Give me our money or I’ll beat it out, Give me our money or I’ll beat it out, I thought I heard him shout. 3a. I thought I heard Buddy Bolden say, Monkey butt, funky butt take it away, Funky butt, stinky butt take it away, I thought I heard him say.
3b. I thought I heard Buddy Bolden shout, Open up the window an’ let this foul air out, Open up the window an’ let the foul air out, I thought I heard him shout.
Ultimately, what is most important is how mainstream coverage benefits the bands. Do they see an increase in album sales or attendance at shows? Journalist Kim Kelly, who writes for Pitchfork (where she specializes in underground black metal and doom bands), along with the UK metal mag Iron Fist, The FADER and several others, says the feedback she gets from bands she covers in her more mainstream writing gigs proves that they are. “Sometimes I’ll get an email asking if I have covered something recently, because the band saw a spike in Bandcamp sales and figured I was behind it! I know for a fact that my scribblings have made certain bands money, gotten them gigs, or helped them make valuable connections, and that’s all the justification I need to keep on keepin’ on.”
kkdomitor nails it
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
1. Shredded Humans
Early hours, open road, family of five - on their way homeHaving enjoyed a day in the sun, their encounter with gore has just begunA homicidal fool not knowing left from right, now has the family in his sightTrying to perceive if he's blind or insane,he steers his car into the other lane
Both of them collide, expressions horrifiedHead on at full speed, the vultures will soon feed
The father of three was impaled on the wheel,as his skull became a part of the dashHis eyeballs ejected his sight uneffected, he saw his own organs collapseHis seatbelt was useless for holding him back, it simply cut him in twoLegs were crushed, out leaked pus as his spinal cord took off and flewThe mother took flight through the glass, and ended up impaled on a signHer intestines stretched from the car down the road for a quarter of a mile
Fourth child on the way, won't live another dayFetus on the road, with mangled little bonesLittle children fly, not a chance to wonder whySmashed against the ceiling, all their skin burning and peelingShards of glass explode, chest and skull now implodeCorpses they've become, and graves will have to be dug
Underneath the wheels, burning rubber on your faceBleeding from your eyes, the slaughtered victims liesKnowing what he's done, he just backs up one more timeLaughing at the mess, a pile of meat on the street
One child left slowly dying now, arteries gushing bloodNow it's time to feed on flesh, the gore has just begun
The look of death in my eyeSurely no-one will surviveJust a pile of mushLeft to dry in the sun
I see my fresh killLeft in the roadRemains of your bodiesMangled and torn
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link
sorry cardamon i don't know what you're talking about
― marcos, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
― scott c-word (some dude), Tuesday, February 4, 2014 8:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This more-or-less mirrors my views. But the biggest barrier to getting into most post-Sabbath metal is the drum sound. It's either reverbed to shit, heavily gated, a broad flump or (usually) all of the above. And the bass drum just sounds like a low click. I love electronic drums/drum machines in other contexts, but in metal it just sounds goofy (and pointless, when an acoustic bass drum is made to sound indistinguishable from an electronic bass drum).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
Also cardomon otm re: nihilism.
Also, Cookie Monster vocals. Are...are you actually trying to scare...anybody? And has it ever worked?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
I hate typewriter drums in modern extreme metal too. Its my pet hate. Thought I'd started a thread on this actually but cant find it.
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
kill (em) all click tracks
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
Marcos: it's probably subjective
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
Grapevine just seems full of bitterness and threat to me, Buddy Bolden is about a pimp and nothing much happens in the story of the song, it just goes on and on, same situation
― cardamon, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
I am put off by death metal because of the vox and the lack of riffs I can appreciate.
But I do like typewriter drums.
― Viceroy, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link
I am put off by HC because Henry Rollins pisses me off.
bbbbut Henry is supposedly the hottest dude in metal according to this list!http://blastbeat.us/?p=3768
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link
http://www.metalinjection.net/around-the-interwebs/female-metal-journalists-turn-it-around-pick-50-hottest-guys-in-metal
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link
Maybe you prefer him with long hair when he was in black flag? ;)
Naw, it's just his attitude. he looks better with short hair.
― Viceroy, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
Bruce Dickinson is clearly still the hottest.
lemmy and wino surprisingly high in that poll. Do people really fancy him? even when he was young he was hardly good looking.
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
(lemmy i mean)
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:48 (ten years ago) link
just close your eyes and listen to his voice.
― Viceroy, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:50 (ten years ago) link
http://blastbeat.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/7-DOLKKAMPFAR-1.jpg
he just looks like your normal metal dude at a gig. At least when hes chatting up the ladies noone has to ask him what band he's in.
― ۩, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link
Imagine the foreplay with him?
I've been told it's less like that in Italy, idk how true that still is
it's a shame and mirrors what's happened to theatre and classical music in general. In the case of opera I blame wagner for a lot of it
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, 13 January 2023 12:20 (one year ago) link
xps to Neanderthallet a death man growlit’s meant to be percussive let a death man growlalthough he ain’t exactly Twista
― the shaker intro bit the shaker outro in the tail, hard (breastcrawl), Friday, 13 January 2023 13:33 (one year ago) link
Lolol
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 January 2023 13:41 (one year ago) link
I can get into a lot of weird/annoying/"bad" vocal styles, but still I have never found a way past the belting emo vocal style. I spent the past two years dating someone who was really into MCR and I know a lot of people around here rate them highly. But I just couldn't do it, man. I like a lot of the other stuff Gerard Way does with his voice! But as soon as he starts with the "I'M NOT WHOA-KAAYYAAY" shit, I'm in for a bad time :(
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 13 January 2023 13:49 (one year ago) link
And as for "cookie monster" vocals, these usually sound goofy as hell rather than bleak or atmospheric to me. But I can appreciate what they're going for.
― feed me with your chips (zchyrs), Friday, 13 January 2023 13:51 (one year ago) link
I was just about to mention, coincidentally, that I only can't stand singers who sing entirely through their nose.
Also admittedly a lot of the mainstream rap in the last five years, I just don't get. And I love hip hop.
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 January 2023 13:55 (one year ago) link
But I can appreciate what they're going for.
I guess I'm still trying to figure out what that is.
We hosted an exchange student from northern Germany about 15 years ago. He was devoted to the really scary-sounding Scandinavian stuff. It struck me as an affirmative act of nonconformity.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 13 January 2023 19:53 (one year ago) link
Strangely enough, I can really appreciate the sound of an operatic soprano. The Queen of the Night aria from The Magic Flute is sublime. I do prefer lieder, though, whether sung by a soprano or sung by an alto.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 13 January 2023 19:55 (one year ago) link