ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

any reason why the other one didn't politely get in line like dozens of others have?

GOOD QUESTION

yeah that was a little weird now that i think about it
also i always vote for my favorites

ppl probably don't need to do much listening for a classic rock poll

any really!

I would like to know why this all time thing gets precedence.

yeah that's bullshit

I would like to know why this all time thing gets precedence.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

because it was started impulsively by someone obsessed with polls

There is some precedent for bigger genre polls like 50s Tracks and Postwar Jazz Albums doing their thing outside the numbered list without causing too many ripples either way. This all-time thing seems too broad, though, and I'm not getting anywhere near it. What is the value in measuring Tusk against 36 Chambers against Giant Steps? (Underrated Aero is invited to jump in at this point and ask the value of measuring Tusk against Then Play On.)

Ehhh...is there any surprise at all in AG jumping onto the dance floor to show us his moves? Like a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll" -- what does this even mean? 100% guaranteed to have nominations thrown out because they don't fit his definition of...whatever the definition turns out to be. "But enough about me, dahling, let's talk about you. What do you think of me?"

But sure, AG, I'll put you on the list for a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll please," I'm sure it will be FUN.

lol

and george when you read this now you know *why?*

Ehhh...is there any surprise at all in AG jumping onto the dance floor to show us his moves? Like a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll" -- what does this even mean? 100% guaranteed to have nominations thrown out because they don't fit his definition of...whatever the definition turns out to be. "But enough about me, dahling, let's talk about you. What do you think of me?"

Unless you were in a coma for the 80s and 70s heavy/weird polls, how can you not know what it means? I'd say they were pretty damn inclusive because by definition they embraced the quirky, odd tastes of ILM, and the results were pretty amazing. They were the best polls on this board along with the jazz poll. ILM is in general a fun waste of time, and the artist polls are okay, but if it weren't for those big polls, I probably would have weeded this board out of my semi-daily browses a couple years ago.

big polls: 1
other: 0

Pink Floyd: Rules

I pushrd Herman on the 60s poll in another thread so its p much my fault. Agreed w Fastnbulbous that 80s and 70s rawk poll were huge amounts of fun but I wasnt really thinking how many toes were being kinda stepped on. Sorry about that

AG's 70s weird melting pot was truly amazing, but yeah, I 'm saddened to see this all time thingy getting ahead. There was a few polls I was looking forward too (classic rock, YLT, Outkast, Eno, Dylan, Sleater-Kinney) and now we will have to wait extra months? Saddened.

now we will have to wait extra months?

Fuck no. This all-time thing is stupid. some dude should go ahead with the classic rock poll because he'd already booked the room.

the sooner we do klassik rock the sooner FLOYD RULES the polling

tbh i was afraid I was going to miss the klassik rollout so I'm secretly glad it was delayed a bit but god please don't wait on it til mfing april

all I want to know is do I have time to feather my hair y/n

You've had like thirty years

what you guys dont realise is that I found out yesterday Nick had planned the alltime poll with another (ex?)ilxor months ago(its part of a bigger picture apparently) so I had to drop the idea, but then they decided to let me help out with the ilm thing. It was going to happen anyway and William's projections are hilariously WRONG.

And yet when I join the queue for a poll, as you all were bitching about I receive a personal attack by William (not for the 1st time) who likes to make things about me as he cant hide his personal hatred.

There is no reason why some dude cant run his poll. The alltime poll wont even be voting for a month and another month for actual voting as decided by nick.

Look, we all decided on a community standard a few years back. It works really well. When multiple polls are running, it kinda cluttered up the board and it's difficult for the poll respondents. Not everyone has the time to devote to creating ballots for more than one of these at a time. I mean, a successful poll in everyone's eyes is gonna have more voters, right? We all take a break for the eoy polls and sometimes we shoehorn on special memorial polls when notable musicians die. I put in for the hair metal poll back in 2012 or something? I'm looking forward to running it maybe this fall. Don't really understand why scik mouthy and your poll should be some kinda magnificent exception to this.

I think the point is more that everyone is focusing on Herman at the moment when they should also be spending some time yelling at Nick (who seems to have disappeared?)

dont yell at nick. Im a big boy I can handle all the bullshit. The point djp is no one should be yelling at anyone.

and I thought you would know better

Guys, this thread and the ordering system was started for artist ballot polls. When I was talking about maybe doing a 'best music videos' poll I was *specifically* told that I shouldn't put that on this list, because it was a separate thing. So no, there is no community consensus, and no, these poll-obsessed weirdos don't need your permission to run something that will probably be terrible.

which artist is "the 'Classic Rock' canon"?

http://www.simplyeighties.com/resources/Sky-Album-Cover.jpg

was started for

Reading comprehension, do you have it? People have started fucking around and putting various things in here. But fucking around with what a thing is for is not the same thing as having a community standard in place.

re: classic rock, emil.y's point might stand actually - I was the one who threw that one in the lineup here, totally disregarding the 'artist polls' thing. I think it might have just slipped past, or at that time it was so far in the future that nobody would have considered that it might pop up at the same time as a general/decade/genre poll.

which artist is "Producers"? how about "Motown singles", "Stax" and "Disco"?

^ I refer you to the reading comprehension post

I refer you to the fact that the producers poll was suggested and claimed within two days of the beginning of the original thread.

i've got to say, speaking as notorious enemy of pollery and general mean git, that this system that's evolved seems to work really well for the poll fans - i think you probably maximize your contributions by narrowing your focus. and obv i hate "poll poll poll poll poll" all over this place but hey people are still free to express themselves in whatever ways they see fit (however quixotic) and these things live or die by people choosing to play or not

i wd respectfully ask our bird-house dwelling chum not to go nuts with the advertising tho - people who wanna play, will play

I mean, the actual argument here is that all of these polls are about individual songs and this one was a album poll and that kind of makes it its own thing, but no one seems to want to make that argument but instead wants to make easily disproved comments about the "intent" of organizing these polls (which IIRC was "stop running all of these damn polls at the same time, let's put them in order so we don't turn ILM into a budget version of rateyourmusic.com")

maybe we shd just finally create an "I Love Polls" sub-board

Classic rock has been in the queue, and widely anticipated, for ages - if the organisers want the board's kind-of-undivided attention for a couple of weeks, I'm in favour of respecting their wishes.

I'd be happy if all non-eoy polls went on the conveyor belt, without exception. At the moment though, I don't think that the "rules" are as strict as that.

lol, "easily disproved". Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

In that thread: some people ask whether or not non-artist polls should be included, some people talk openly about not including them, some people claim a space for their non-artist polls. Not in that thread: an establishment of a community standard.

IF mods want to decide that this thread constitutes a rule that needs to be followed for all polls, THEN they should enforce that. However, until that happens, Nick and AG are not breaking any rules, and they shouldn't be pilloried.

If you don't want to contribute to a poll, don't contribute to a poll. It's quite simple. I barely ever contribute to any. I barely ever look at them. Thus I have no idea why people get so pissed off about them.

and.... what was the outcome of that conversation? a producers poll, a disco poll, a Stax poll, etc etc. How is this a problem with my reading comprehension?

Your comprehension is clearly poor as you still seem to think I'm denying the existence of those things when I'm very obviously noting them, and claiming that they don't make a rule, and that nowhere in these threads is a rule created to deal with them.

yep

rules aren't necessarily formally laid out on a board like this, but the absence of a Rule doesn't mean there isn't a rule; the process you're thrashing thru now is part of establishing that kinda rule? like the difference between laws and social conventions

^^^

I mean basically the problem is that this thread and its predecessor work on the assumption that too many polls at once is bad for all of them - people can't make ballots, can't find time to participate in the threads, it's a drag. BUT: an unscheduled poll may, based on its topic, be really appealing to lots of people who aren't necessarily following the order-and-timing thread. They are, like the people making ballots in the current Albums poll, stoked to participate. That wouldn't be a problem, except now, the next person to start a poll that is on the 'schedule' is put in a bind: Do I start this long-scheduled poll, at the risk that much of ILM will see it as the late-comer that's adding to a pile-on? "Crap, I would totally have made a classic rock ballot, that sounds awesome, but..." Or do I wait, even though a) I've been waiting my turn, b) we just waited out the EOY polls, and c) waiting is in turn holding up every other poll further down in the queue?

Unless there's a larger ILM consensus to stick with the ordered-and-timed schedule, then that schedule can always get derailed completely by an unscheduled (I'm trying to avoid saying "rogue") operator.

My feeling is that there has been something of an ILM consensus about the validity of the order-and-timing threads in the three years since they've been in use. It's possible of course that I'm overstating that, or reading too much into the success of the polls they've spawned. I do think the results of this system have met with much more public approval than the results of a hypothetical world where all of the last twenty polls had taken place the same month would have! We don't really have a moderation test case though - the rogue Madonna poll was locked, but because it was a swipe at a particular poster, not specifically because the O&T list was "law."

It might be that this current situation is sort of a once-in-a-blue-moon freak storm, just because both Classic Rock Canon and Favorite Albums Ever are kind of broad-base things that you expect lots of ILMers might get on board with - and have to split their time between. Whereas I'm not sure that's true of some artist vs. artist combos - but this is ILM, a place more likely than anywhere on the internet to have people who are fans of both Billy Joel and suicide metal or whatever.

ha i guess i did end up saying "rogue" but ykwim

the process you're thrashing thru now is part of establishing that kinda rule?

Yeah, I agree with this. A "crisis-point" happens and the reactions to it will establish what happens in the future. Which looks like it may well be all non-eoy polls... on the conveyor belt, without exception, and that will be fine. I just feel like there is an unfair reaction going on here, when this is more the establishing case than a rogue rule-breaker.

yeah this feels more like a test case than a shocking faux pas

firmly in the "starting a huge poll on your own is a dick move" camp, fuck that

It's not really the first time we've been over this, tbh - it's come up in reference to other polls with some of the same characters involved, but it played out on other threads and I wouldn't say that a final consensus was reached.

I won't be voting in the albums poll for all the above reasons, but if I'm honest I don't know if I would have anyway - I don't know as many albums as some folks and my ballot would probably be pretty corny/ignorant/naive.