Star Wars 7 shit talk

doesn't mean he can't haunt everyone

there will never be any good news about this movie

Call me a fool or a fool who follows him, but I genuinely think it could be decent.

There is almost no way it can be worse than the prequels, but of course the same kind of logic compelled me to see all three prequels despite all the evidence suggesting that they would continue to be lifeless, boring trainwrecks.

There is almost no way it can be worse than the prequels

oh ye of little faith

I also stand by this:

This is a good thing. #1: reduces george lucas's ability to do any more damage, #2: odds of proper DVD release of ORIGINAL THEATRICAL STAR WARS go up immensely, #3: horrible anonymous disney sequels actually DILUTE impact of the prequels, substantially eroding their seeming claim to be an integral piece of the saga...they instead get lumped together with the other postmillenial Shitty Star Warses. And maybe the design work for the new spaceships and robots and monsters won't suck so bad.

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 5:10 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think the primary problem w/the prequels is the cast was channeling post-jedi skywalker sad bastard acting and i barely recall any "han soloing" as it were. part of the appeal of star wars was the slow discovery of the force's full power and people left and right (empire and rebellion!) taking the piss out of it and calling it a sham. we go into the prequels with the jedis just there and the force just a thing that everyone accepts and no one even has the chance to clown it because everyone is reciting force-scripture the entire time.

Yeah, I mean more generally: the Force is banal, lightsabers are ubiquitous, the Jedi are basically bureaucrats, the clone wars are a consequence-free CGI sideshow, being trained by Yoda means getting through your 2:00 class when you didn't have time to grab lunch, tragic downfalls are rejected soap opera B stories, and absolutely everything is just boring and ordinary. I think we've hashed this out more on the "crimes of George Lucas" thread, but that's kinda the long and short of it, plus incredibly uninspired direction. Thing should have been sent back for retooling as soon as the storyboards came in.

despite that i still think ROTS was a very good movie and maybe even a touch better than ROTJ in some respects. at least it was humorless because everyone was getting killed.

maybe even a touch better than ROTJ in some respects

Like what, postproduction color or something

i remember being really impressed by the visual style and fx and settings, though yeah i mean i don't think it's better than ROTJ overall really.

I'd rather watch the prequels again than rewatch those bland new star trek movies.

i hope SW 7 isn't focused on a villain whose only motive is he's creating "chaos" as a teachable moment

Joker the Hutt

http://cdn-images.9cloud.us/92/freddie_mercury_amp_darth_vader_189275798.jpg

ROTJ absolutely clobbers ROTS, no question in my mind, and I recognize all kinds of glaring faults in Jedi. Even just the creation of Jabba the Hutt, by himself, displays about a hundred times more imagination than anything in Sith. Or the weird voice disguise thing Leia has in that one scene, the Rancor, the cool Jedi stuff Luke does (notably not done completely to death)... yeah, it's all kinda downhill after the Jabba sequence (which in itself already has a slight lack of inventiveness: why are we back on Tatooine?), but there are some rallying moments at the end, and even if everybody is a little too confident and competent (my girlfriend called it a "senior slump" movie), there's still more human drama and charm and interest to the acting. Sith has the Emperor, Obi-Wan crying out in rage and disappointment, and....ehh, not much else that impresses itself on the memory or holds the attention on the screen. IMO!

Attack on the Death Star is one of my favorite action sequences of all time

slow discovery of the force's full power and people left and right (empire and rebellion!) taking the piss out of it and calling it a sham

otm, and the general "we're not really sure what's gonna happen here" attitude of the characters, and the story in general. in short, it had less on its shoulders, which no movies that come after can ever really duplicate. The prequels felt like perfunctory telling of lore, rather than organic unfolding of epic adventure. Technically, I can't blame them, but hoping the sequels aren't saddled with so much heavy "significance", AND can somehow present great characters to carry their stories.

hope luke's grandkids have laserbikes

not to be all prometheus-y but they could go the "sometime much later in a galaxy that happens to be this one" route.

"yesterday, in st. paul, minnesota, u.s.a..."

real talk i will see this movie because i am a bad and dumb person

a young jj abrams-looking kid with an E.T. hat is brushing off what looks like dinosaur bones in a quarry. pull back to reveal the outline of an AT-AT walker.

vader and leia, walking through times square

oh god nooooooo

I hope they do a Death Star III.

To save Tatooine from an alien probe, Luke Skywalker and his rebel crew must time-travel to 1986 San Francisco to retrieve the only beings who can communicate with it: humpback whales.

this is going to be a shot-for-shot remake of Singles, only with Star Wars characters

"Touch Me, I'm Wicket"

"Where are the anthems for our youth? What happened to music that meant something? The Max Rebo Band at Jabba's Palace, or The Ewok's aat the Victory Celebration... Where is the "Lapti Nek," where is the, is the "Jedi Rocks"... Where is the "Mad About Me" of today?"

Is my force too small for you?
Sometimes...

this will end up being the longest thread in ilx history

OP will add lots of animated gifs and Java applets

Then delete the original thread

lol give it up you losers

someone should put a bullet in this franchise, there's no saving it and I guarantee fan recommendation website isn't gonna solve it (no matter how good yr recommendations are)

ROTJ absolutely clobbers ROTS, no question in my mind, and I recognize all kinds of glaring faults in Jedi.

yeah srsly. ppl make fun of mark hamill's bad acting but he seems like olivier next to pretty much every performance in the prequels.

someone should put a bullet in this franchise, there's no saving it

See this is the one place my otpimism kicks in. For all of his efforts trying to fuck it all up, Lucas created a wonderfully rich and detailed universe that I think is capable of being treated rather well. I think there is still the potential for a great movie franchise here. Will it be this one? Doubtful. Disney will probably focus group this thing to death. But I don't think this is by any means a franchise beyond saving.

I was really into it as a kid but seeing my culture/generation fixate on it for 35+ years, gobbling up absolutely anything and everything with the brand name on it whether its utter garbage or not, is pretty nauseating

And that's totally fair. But just because people gobble up the shit, doesn't mean there aren't some gems buried in there. To this day I think there are some really creative things being done in the comics and video games, not to mention The Clone Wars animated series.

haha what, that "four rules" thing is a video (already.. no) and they're featuring a MAKING-OF on the site? shut up

my feeling on this is this could be bad, or it could be good, and either way, it's like 2 hours of my time and $12 of my money, so like, the stakes arent super high (especially as the bar has been set so low)

shakey i cant but imagine all of your posts being mumbled under your breath as you rock back and forth

like your posts make me think that you, more than anyone else in this thread, want so hard to believe they might be good but you've been hurt so badly you need to keep talking yourself down

which is tbh a position i can relate to

no I really am so sick of Star Wars I would be a-okay with it being completely erased from the cultural landscape. I was tired of it and its place in nerd culture before the prequels came out, and then it just got really sad/irritating. Maybe it's just really prevalent where I am (nerd capital USA, with ILM HQ just over the hill), it's just ugh. Star Trek, even with all of its similarly shitty iterations, still retains some speck of value/interest for me. Perhaps because as a franchise it typically has adhered to a certain core philosophy/vision that has something interesting to say about life, people and society than just COOL THINGS BLOWED UP also ALIENS. Star Wars is just this vacuous, empty monster that eats money and cultural space.

lucas' vision of "war is a boring and incoherent mess" actually turning out to be oddly more progressive than the "torture and revenge is regrettable but sometimes justified" mantra that is latter-day star trek.

i definitely feel that... i feel like most of the attachment i have to the originals has just been smeared over with the last 20 years of shittiness... but im still curious about what this will bring. mostly because of stuff like shooting on 35mm, which seems like such a fuck-you to lucas. it'll probably just be like super 8 tho, kind of amusing at first as a 70s pastiche but ultimately lame

"torture and revenge is regrettable but sometimes justified" mantra that is latter-day star trek

I didn't see the last movie, but I am not aware of this being a "mantra" of either the first film or any other iteration of Star Trek (in which case, again, I have no faith in Abrams to do anything right)

lucas' vision of "war is a boring and incoherent mess"

and lol is this some ridiculous auteur theory apologia I can't even

well, to make an even less compelling case for the clone wars than for invading Iraq takes some doing!

Also, corny fuxx alert here, the thought of being able to experience a new Star Wars film in the theaters for the first time with my son is pretty cool. Even if it does suck. He's already really into the few Star Wars books he's gotten and can name most of the characters (Chewbacca and Boba Fett are his faves, fwiw).