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I have found this format slow enough that 6 mana removal seems fine, even sip seems much better than it did in ths/ths/ths

iatee, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:11 (ten years ago) link

i like sip a fair bit, its gone up a number of spots in my pick order in the new format but i've found eternity snare unplayable for the reasons frog points out.

Lamp, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link

anyway it's not like I take this card p1-6 but it's def got a place in the format. in a tempo deck you don't even really care if they have to waste their god's willing on it if they draw it 3 turns later.

iatee, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link

I don't find it unplayable, just that every time I drew it I didn't want it. I never had the scenario where it goes 3-for-1 with dude/bestow/attack/snare happen. I feel like it's a card that requires a specific type of game...you curving out while your opponent puts all their eggs in one basket.

frogbs, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

I haven't been playing much limited but the PT was fantastic I thought - Modern feels so... decision-y all of a sudden! I wish I could afford more of the decks - I have BW tokens but maindeck Anger everywhere has made it pretty unplayable unless you go the Wescoe route of three maindeck War&Peace which ughhh.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:29 (ten years ago) link

modern is so in

iatee, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link

yeah this PT was a great bounceback for modern after the last one was a kind of boring jund-fest. no 'best' deck with even 20% metagame share and a lot of fringe decks without much exposure up to this point doing well on camera.

ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 February 2014 23:58 (ten years ago) link

gonna have to go hard for that LED this season, which currently trades for 130+ tix. it looks like the price probably will not tank much (if any) afterwards - FOW is more valuable than ever, even after giving away a bunch as promos last year.

Dunno if this is helpful to anyone, but I'm working this out for my own sake:

50%/120/4.3
55%/90/3.2
60%/70/2.5
65%/55/2

First number is winrate, second is avg. number you would need to get 15 QP, third is the number of tournaments you'd need to play each day (the season is 4 weeks) to hit that number. As you can see it's quite a grind to get 15, even if your winrate is good. No wonder I have only once gotten the required number of QPs. Anyone else plan on giving it a shot?

frogbs, Thursday, 27 February 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link

just play block dailies

Lamp, Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:00 (ten years ago) link

playing block dailies actually seems like a job

iatee, Thursday, 27 February 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link

getting to 15 isn't that hard, 35 for the auto-MOCS qualification is a bit of a time commitment though.

constructed 8-mans currently pay out 2 QP to 1st place and 1 to 2nd place so those are the fastest way to rack them up right now if you don't mind that they aren't profitable like daily events

ciderpress, Friday, 28 February 2014 02:24 (ten years ago) link

fwiw i think block is fairly fun and interesting right now, bng did way for it than it did for standard

Lamp, Friday, 28 February 2014 04:14 (ten years ago) link

is tis where I can buy bitcoin

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Friday, 28 February 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link

no, but I've heard that MTGO event tickets are rapidly replacing bitcoin as the internet currency of choice

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link

I managed to win Game Day at my LGS with mono-black devotion. There weren't tons of people participating, but it was still a pleasant surprise.

Spaghetti Sauce Shampoo (Moodles), Saturday, 1 March 2014 23:51 (ten years ago) link

what do you guys think the price ceiling on scalding tarn is? so glad I finished my playset some months ago....

iatee, Monday, 3 March 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link

did we already talk about this? my guess is $100 some point this year

has anyone figured out how to make felhide spiritbinder work in standard? feel like that card has potential

Lamp, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link

its pretty f'n nasty in draft, I wasn't aware you can hit your opponent's creatures with it too

frogbs, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 01:56 (ten years ago) link

yea I think you and I talked about it lamp I was just wondering if anyone else thought that too

iatee, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 02:02 (ten years ago) link

I mean the fetches have to all get reprinted at some point right? So weird that Modern has enemy fetches only

frogbs, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link

It is weird! I'm thinking all 10 fetches soon, possibly the next block. Fine for Standard once the shocklands rotate, and I don't think it affects Modern much either.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link

I mean adding the ally-color fetches wouldn't affect Modern decks much. The price drop on all fetches would be very nice.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link

problem with fetches is that they're shitty to have in standard since they add a bunch of shuffle time to games without being allowed the upside of Perfect Mana. not sure if they're willing to take that hit to get good supply of them out there for modern, but i can definitely see them holding them back for some supplemental product like modern masters 2 or something.

modern prices have been ballooning for the past 4-5 months, GP Richmond this weekend allegedly has 3k people preregistered already which is 2x the size of the biggest modern tournament to date. i think $100 for the blue fetches soon is likely, yes. i also suspect the format's growth is currently outpacing WotC's reprint/resupply plan for it, which is, in the big picture, a 'good problem to have' but sucks short-term for people who hadn't bought in already.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:34 (ten years ago) link

i just don't think that anything short of reprinting them in a standard set will do enough to increase availability to a point where fetchlands are as affordable as say, shocks are right now. there's also the point that a standard reprint allows them to bring the onslaught fetches into modern w/o having to fiddle around with the way they handle modern card eligibility and supplemental products. i feel like those two factors combined outweigh the downside of having so much shuffling in standard although i think its close

as a newer player i do appreciate how aggressively they've been reprinting modern staples and i was thinking after reading about the remand reprint that they've done a pretty good job over the last year of getting cards out to players. at this point i expect almost any expensive modern card to get some kind of reprint even its something liker reprinting damnation in a ftv.

Lamp, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:54 (ten years ago) link

so I totally just lost to 2 Chromanticore decks in the same draft. it was played against me 4 times and I lost all 4 games. GUESS IVE SEEN IT ALL NOW

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:55 (ten years ago) link

lol

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 11:43 (ten years ago) link

so jumping on the storm bandwagon is a good way to learn the difference between you and jon finkel

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link

but it is still a fun challenge I recommend doing it until the sideboard hate gets overwhelming

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

i'm still really sad grapeshot/empty got banned in pauper, that was the most fun storm deck. modern version is solid but i don't like playing it as much as other combo decks in the format.

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link

i'm back to playing melira pod and i really don't know why i ever stopped, there's really no reason to switch decks until they ban pod or the format somehow becomes 30%+ scapeshift and tron

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link

modern deck has the added benefit of being a pretty fun solitaire deck

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

I doubt they'll ban pod, it's not degenerate

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link

deathrite shaman wasn't degenerate either though, it was just pushing out too many other strategies. the same could be argued for pod in that it crushes non-pod creature decks. i'd rather see them address this by providing alternative good options though - bloodbraid elf is one such one that is sadly still banned, vengevine is another that's probably underexplored currently now that DRS is gone.

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link

deathrite was pushing out other strategies from its place in *lots* of decks though. the fact that it was a no-brainer in basically any deck that could cast it made it a lot more oppressive than pod currently is (at less than 10% of the online meta)

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Heading to GP Richmond in a couple hours, locked into Robots since it's the only deck I have. Thinking about running the old version with Galvanic Blasts since I'm expecting Twin and Zoo to be big. Or do you guys think the U Thoughtcast version is still better without Jund being a big player?

Vinnie, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link

yeah i guessed that it was gonna be WB tokens a while back when the announcement for it mentioned double sided tokens included.

Vinnie can't you play both thoughtcast and galv blast? i'm not super familiar with affinity builds in modern but i feel like when i play vs it they often have both, though maybe the galv blasts are partially in the sideboard

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link

since i found out earlier this week i couldn't make gp richmond for work reasons i stopped paying attention to the attendance figures but gd 4300+ seems fucking insane

no war but glass war (Lamp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link

all the modern cards are going to be worth like a million dollars arent they :/

no war but glass war (Lamp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Lost the mirror match round 9 to just miss day 2. :-\ The number of people here is just insane, a third of us got put in a separate flight across the street. Even with a third of us, the room was the size of a regular GP,, though I don't think anyone in our flight ended up getting a feature match, because it wasn't physically possible.

Cider I did end up trying to run both blasts and thoughtcast like you suggested, but ended up switching the thoughtcasts for maindeck Spellskite. Thoughtcast might have been better but Spellskite was excellent in a couple matches. I played against eight archetypes in nine rounds, and overall had a really good time. Modern seems healthy.

Vinnie, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link

who saw the dickmann match? dude is so good

iatee, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link

missed all the coverage but was amused to hear that the mocs crashed again today

no war but glass war (Lamp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 05:23 (ten years ago) link

so 5/8 pod top 8 in a tournament of that size seems like it suggests that the deck is the new jund. can/will the meta shift in reaction? more tron? more maindeck shadow of doubts?

I feel like sideboard h8 is less effective against pod than other top decks because outside of an unexpected blood moon there's very little that just destroys the deck immediately, esp melira. shutting down pod itself means they have to do more work, but they still have a deck filled w/ value creatures and ramp.

whereas affinity, while maybe equally good g1, can have miserable games 2 and 3 if the field dedicates enough sideboard space.

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link

feel like if it weren't for the phyrexian mana (if it were just 3G and 1G) the card/deck would still be quite playable but wouldn't be at risk of a ban. t2 resolved pod feels like t2 liliana to me. too strong a threat that doesn't have many maindeck responses and just takes over the game.

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link

looking at the day 2 breakdown pod doesn't seem as oppressive as it does in the t8

Archetype % of Field
Affinity 13.54%
Melira Pod 10.38%
Storm 5.64%
Jund 5.19%
Merfolk 4.74%
WUR Control 4.29%
GB Obliterator Rock 4.06%
UR Twin 4.06%
Tarmo-Twin 4.06%
WUR Midrange 3.61%
Hexproof Auras 3.39%
Big Zoo 3.16%
GB Rock 3.16%
Burn 2.93%
RG Tron 2.93%
Kiki Pod 2.26%
WUR Twin 2.26%
Ad Nauseam 2.03%
Living End 2.03%
Little Zoo 1.81%
Scapeshift 1.58%
8 Rax 1.35%
Infect 1.35%
WB Tokens 1.13%
4-Color Gifts 0.90%
UB Faeries 0.90%
Death and Taxes 0.68%
Soul Sisters 0.68%
UR Delver 0.68%
WG Aggro 0.68%
Blue Moon 0.45%
Junk 0.45%
Mono-Black 0.90%
Tin Fins (Reanimator) 0.45%
4-Color Zoo 0.23%
Dedgevine 0.23%
Domain Zoo 0.23%
Egg-Tron 0.23%
Elves 0.23%
Esper Mill 0.23%
Goblins 0.23%
Grixis Control 0.23%
Mono-Red Control0.23%
WUR Delver 0.23%

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link

sup y'all
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Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link

i'll be sad if pod gets banned since it's the only modern deck i own and due to the insane price inflation going on i'm probably priced out of getting another non-awful deck. i already am short 3 noble hierarchs for it due to the DRS ban which is $200 that i have to drop if i want to play the worcester GP this summer.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link

I hope the meta can adjust. I do think it's the best deck right now if you can pilot it well (which not everyone can), but not by much, and the thing I hated most about DRS was that it incidentally hosed graveyard-based decks. Pod doesn't casually invalidate archetypes.

Still not sure why Noble Hierarch didn't get a MM reprint. Damnation seems like a good candidate to be in FTV: Annihilation, and Remand would be very strong for Standard but could see a printing in a new set. But Hierarch seems unlikely to get reprinted any time soon because of Exalted.

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link

I'm guessing we see fetchlands soon too. Without dual-typed lands I don't think they'd be all that strong in Standard!

frogbs, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link

pod invalidates fair creature decks ie anything kibler wants to play

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link


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