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It is weird! I'm thinking all 10 fetches soon, possibly the next block. Fine for Standard once the shocklands rotate, and I don't think it affects Modern much either.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 05:11 (ten years ago) link

I mean adding the ally-color fetches wouldn't affect Modern decks much. The price drop on all fetches would be very nice.

Vinnie, Tuesday, 4 March 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link

problem with fetches is that they're shitty to have in standard since they add a bunch of shuffle time to games without being allowed the upside of Perfect Mana. not sure if they're willing to take that hit to get good supply of them out there for modern, but i can definitely see them holding them back for some supplemental product like modern masters 2 or something.

modern prices have been ballooning for the past 4-5 months, GP Richmond this weekend allegedly has 3k people preregistered already which is 2x the size of the biggest modern tournament to date. i think $100 for the blue fetches soon is likely, yes. i also suspect the format's growth is currently outpacing WotC's reprint/resupply plan for it, which is, in the big picture, a 'good problem to have' but sucks short-term for people who hadn't bought in already.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:34 (ten years ago) link

i just don't think that anything short of reprinting them in a standard set will do enough to increase availability to a point where fetchlands are as affordable as say, shocks are right now. there's also the point that a standard reprint allows them to bring the onslaught fetches into modern w/o having to fiddle around with the way they handle modern card eligibility and supplemental products. i feel like those two factors combined outweigh the downside of having so much shuffling in standard although i think its close

as a newer player i do appreciate how aggressively they've been reprinting modern staples and i was thinking after reading about the remand reprint that they've done a pretty good job over the last year of getting cards out to players. at this point i expect almost any expensive modern card to get some kind of reprint even its something liker reprinting damnation in a ftv.

Lamp, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:54 (ten years ago) link

so I totally just lost to 2 Chromanticore decks in the same draft. it was played against me 4 times and I lost all 4 games. GUESS IVE SEEN IT ALL NOW

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 04:55 (ten years ago) link

lol

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 5 March 2014 11:43 (ten years ago) link

so jumping on the storm bandwagon is a good way to learn the difference between you and jon finkel

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link

but it is still a fun challenge I recommend doing it until the sideboard hate gets overwhelming

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

i'm still really sad grapeshot/empty got banned in pauper, that was the most fun storm deck. modern version is solid but i don't like playing it as much as other combo decks in the format.

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:51 (ten years ago) link

i'm back to playing melira pod and i really don't know why i ever stopped, there's really no reason to switch decks until they ban pod or the format somehow becomes 30%+ scapeshift and tron

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 15:58 (ten years ago) link

modern deck has the added benefit of being a pretty fun solitaire deck

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

I doubt they'll ban pod, it's not degenerate

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link

deathrite shaman wasn't degenerate either though, it was just pushing out too many other strategies. the same could be argued for pod in that it crushes non-pod creature decks. i'd rather see them address this by providing alternative good options though - bloodbraid elf is one such one that is sadly still banned, vengevine is another that's probably underexplored currently now that DRS is gone.

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link

deathrite was pushing out other strategies from its place in *lots* of decks though. the fact that it was a no-brainer in basically any deck that could cast it made it a lot more oppressive than pod currently is (at less than 10% of the online meta)

iatee, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

Heading to GP Richmond in a couple hours, locked into Robots since it's the only deck I have. Thinking about running the old version with Galvanic Blasts since I'm expecting Twin and Zoo to be big. Or do you guys think the U Thoughtcast version is still better without Jund being a big player?

Vinnie, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link

yeah i guessed that it was gonna be WB tokens a while back when the announcement for it mentioned double sided tokens included.

Vinnie can't you play both thoughtcast and galv blast? i'm not super familiar with affinity builds in modern but i feel like when i play vs it they often have both, though maybe the galv blasts are partially in the sideboard

ciderpress, Friday, 7 March 2014 22:41 (ten years ago) link

since i found out earlier this week i couldn't make gp richmond for work reasons i stopped paying attention to the attendance figures but gd 4300+ seems fucking insane

no war but glass war (Lamp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:46 (ten years ago) link

all the modern cards are going to be worth like a million dollars arent they :/

no war but glass war (Lamp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Lost the mirror match round 9 to just miss day 2. :-\ The number of people here is just insane, a third of us got put in a separate flight across the street. Even with a third of us, the room was the size of a regular GP,, though I don't think anyone in our flight ended up getting a feature match, because it wasn't physically possible.

Cider I did end up trying to run both blasts and thoughtcast like you suggested, but ended up switching the thoughtcasts for maindeck Spellskite. Thoughtcast might have been better but Spellskite was excellent in a couple matches. I played against eight archetypes in nine rounds, and overall had a really good time. Modern seems healthy.

Vinnie, Sunday, 9 March 2014 03:37 (ten years ago) link

who saw the dickmann match? dude is so good

iatee, Sunday, 9 March 2014 04:07 (ten years ago) link

missed all the coverage but was amused to hear that the mocs crashed again today

no war but glass war (Lamp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 05:23 (ten years ago) link

so 5/8 pod top 8 in a tournament of that size seems like it suggests that the deck is the new jund. can/will the meta shift in reaction? more tron? more maindeck shadow of doubts?

I feel like sideboard h8 is less effective against pod than other top decks because outside of an unexpected blood moon there's very little that just destroys the deck immediately, esp melira. shutting down pod itself means they have to do more work, but they still have a deck filled w/ value creatures and ramp.

whereas affinity, while maybe equally good g1, can have miserable games 2 and 3 if the field dedicates enough sideboard space.

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link

feel like if it weren't for the phyrexian mana (if it were just 3G and 1G) the card/deck would still be quite playable but wouldn't be at risk of a ban. t2 resolved pod feels like t2 liliana to me. too strong a threat that doesn't have many maindeck responses and just takes over the game.

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 14:25 (ten years ago) link

looking at the day 2 breakdown pod doesn't seem as oppressive as it does in the t8

Archetype % of Field
Affinity 13.54%
Melira Pod 10.38%
Storm 5.64%
Jund 5.19%
Merfolk 4.74%
WUR Control 4.29%
GB Obliterator Rock 4.06%
UR Twin 4.06%
Tarmo-Twin 4.06%
WUR Midrange 3.61%
Hexproof Auras 3.39%
Big Zoo 3.16%
GB Rock 3.16%
Burn 2.93%
RG Tron 2.93%
Kiki Pod 2.26%
WUR Twin 2.26%
Ad Nauseam 2.03%
Living End 2.03%
Little Zoo 1.81%
Scapeshift 1.58%
8 Rax 1.35%
Infect 1.35%
WB Tokens 1.13%
4-Color Gifts 0.90%
UB Faeries 0.90%
Death and Taxes 0.68%
Soul Sisters 0.68%
UR Delver 0.68%
WG Aggro 0.68%
Blue Moon 0.45%
Junk 0.45%
Mono-Black 0.90%
Tin Fins (Reanimator) 0.45%
4-Color Zoo 0.23%
Dedgevine 0.23%
Domain Zoo 0.23%
Egg-Tron 0.23%
Elves 0.23%
Esper Mill 0.23%
Goblins 0.23%
Grixis Control 0.23%
Mono-Red Control0.23%
WUR Delver 0.23%

iatee, Monday, 10 March 2014 15:43 (ten years ago) link

sup y'all
http://imgur.com/gallery/SjcgE

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 March 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link

i'll be sad if pod gets banned since it's the only modern deck i own and due to the insane price inflation going on i'm probably priced out of getting another non-awful deck. i already am short 3 noble hierarchs for it due to the DRS ban which is $200 that i have to drop if i want to play the worcester GP this summer.

ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 23:27 (ten years ago) link

I hope the meta can adjust. I do think it's the best deck right now if you can pilot it well (which not everyone can), but not by much, and the thing I hated most about DRS was that it incidentally hosed graveyard-based decks. Pod doesn't casually invalidate archetypes.

Still not sure why Noble Hierarch didn't get a MM reprint. Damnation seems like a good candidate to be in FTV: Annihilation, and Remand would be very strong for Standard but could see a printing in a new set. But Hierarch seems unlikely to get reprinted any time soon because of Exalted.

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link

I'm guessing we see fetchlands soon too. Without dual-typed lands I don't think they'd be all that strong in Standard!

frogbs, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:40 (ten years ago) link

pod invalidates fair creature decks ie anything kibler wants to play

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link

Yeah frog, I agree. It's been so long since fetches could only get basics, I've kind of forgotten what it's like

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link

Kibler can play hate bears!

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:00 (ten years ago) link

has hate bears ever done particularly well in a large modern tournament?

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link

Possibly not but lack of proven success with a deck has rarely stopped Kibler before

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link

I like the idea of hatebears, and it almost seems like wizards prints cards specifically because it wants it to be a deck, but a strategy that's so dependent on what your opponent is playing gets worse and worse as the # of opponents you'll face increases

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link

Still not sure why Noble Hierarch didn't get a MM reprint.

it really should've been in M13, instead it got a judge foil

hatebears seems like a terrible deck, just in general

no war but glass war (Lamp), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link

yeah it's like a control deck where any relevant deck-hoser you have can be bolted

mother of runes is on the reserved list, right? that would be a pretty good addition

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:35 (ten years ago) link

hmm apparently not on the list

iatee, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link

I played against hatebears one round at the GP, and in game 2 my opponent played 3 Qasali Pridemage and still lost, haha. It's kind of a flawed deck concept. Half of the bears do nothing in a given matchup, and the other half hurt but aren't crippling. Leonin Arbiter and Thalia can delay your opponent, but for the same cost, you could have a Goyf. You slow them down but can't capitalize because your creature is so much worse than it could be. Why not just play a Goyf?? And game 1 you have no idea what cards are worth keeping. Pod's gameplan of finding the right hoser when you need it seems like the right way to implement the deck

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link

That said, I wish the deck did work because I think it's fun

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 March 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link

uncommons cant be on the reserved list

ciderpress, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:21 (ten years ago) link

turns out my turning down going to gps has been a real boon to my friends gp results

no war but glass war (Lamp), Sunday, 16 March 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link

ha did you know the winner again??

iatee, Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:44 (ten years ago) link

wait is it even over

iatee, Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:45 (ten years ago) link

i miss dominaria

ciderpress, Monday, 17 March 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link

doing some super flashback urza/mishra type set would probably be huge

iatee, Monday, 17 March 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link

i do think they will reboot dominaria at some point but they might save it until the next time they have a bad year or 2 and need a bounceback

i hope there's a more traditional swords&sorcery fantasy set in the pipeline though since they've been skirting around that for so long now that i think it'd be refreshing again. the core sets are kind of supposed to be that but they feel super generic these days and lack any sort of the world-building effort that goes into block sets.

ciderpress, Monday, 17 March 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link

i think i hate born of the gods. when i do btt draft i just hate that first booster. i hardly ever come out of it with a good bunch of cards or any idea of what i'll get passed in pack 3.

Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 17 March 2014 21:03 (ten years ago) link

yeah born limited is just worse theros w/ terrible chase rares and lots of unplayable commons

and theros wasn't particularly exciting to begin w/

iatee, Monday, 17 March 2014 21:14 (ten years ago) link

I tend to do fairly well with Born, though I do like Theros draft more than you guys it seems. Lots of great and fun uncommons and I feel a lot of the core Theros archetypes don't get messed with a whole lot since most of the important commons have analogues in Born. That said i'm not too sold on Inspired (if you do triple Born it's cool, but it doesn't mesh as well as you'd think with the Theros cards), and also I wish they'd have slotted in more stuff to help the G/B graveyard recursion deck with Nemesis of Mortals - Satyr Wayfinder is nice but I wish we'd gotten a good "graveyard matters" type card.

frogbs, Monday, 17 March 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link


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