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the BBC3

lol

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:07 (ten years ago) link

a channel identity that older viewers find offputting.

Yeah, well i doubt most 16- to 24-year-olds find Radio 4's identity terribly welcoming either.

Alba, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:39 (ten years ago) link

I am not really a Radio 4 person but I admire it and appreciate its existence and sometimes think, maybe I should listen to this constantly.

the pinefox, Friday, 7 March 2014 11:49 (ten years ago) link

I also don't find radio 4#s identity terribly welcoming. Radio David Fucking Cameron.

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 11:52 (ten years ago) link

Pramface was BBC 3, wasn't it? That was ok.

series 3 is on at the moment.

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 12:46 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, well i doubt most 16- to 24-year-olds find Radio 4's identity terribly welcoming either.

True. So what? I'm sure the same scenario would apply there - there are certain Radio 4 shows that would find a broader audience if they were on a digital platform.

What is wrong with songs? Absolutely nothing. Songs are great. (DL), Friday, 7 March 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link

they are

koogs, Friday, 7 March 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link

matt lucas started out on bbc2 right?

Radio 4 I think

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Friday, 7 March 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link

Reasonably certain that most of the standups they mention started as standups, regardless of TV exposure.

ailsa, Friday, 7 March 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link

I like that matt lucas thing where he plays a lazy and stupid African woman shop assistant

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link

that's almost as funny as Harry Enfield and Paul Whitehouse's traffic warden sketch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1BP3AHLZWw

Angkor Waht (Neil S), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

Yeah that was awful too. Only thing I liked in 'Harry and Paul' was Whitehouse's intellectual working class man, and the soviet style opening credits.

Prostitute Farm Online (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 7 March 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link

should have gone with parking papageno and done it all in the style of the magic flute

eardrum buzz aldrin (NickB), Friday, 7 March 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link

Stats here are amazing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26492684

155,000 given criminal record in 2012 for not paying license fee, accounting for more than 10% of criminal cases.

70 jailed.

Cases

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link

Not sure where the extra 'cases' at the end came from there.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Saturday, 8 March 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link

70 jailed.

Pretty sure you don't get sent to jail for not having a TV licence. You can go to jail if you don't pay a fine, which might sound like the same thing but it applies to all kinds of minor crime.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 March 2014 11:22 (ten years ago) link

Yes, that's what i assume that they are referring to here. The last time i had a serious look at this was about ten years ago and, at the time iirc, courts pretty much stopped sending people to jail for non-payment of fines relating to TV licenses. Seeing it go back up to 70 is remarkable. The fines disproportionately affect women and (obviously) those dealing with the most extreme poverty so there was a real push to manage things more humanely. Giving people in difficult situations a criminal record for non-payment of what is effectively a debt / bill in the first place is unusual. Non-payment of utility bills / debts isn't generally a criminal offence.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 10 March 2014 11:34 (ten years ago) link

utility companies can cut you off* but the bbc can't

(* actually i think they aren't allowed to deny people such fundamentals as electricty. so instead they install pre-payment meters which effectively do the same thing.)

koogs, Monday, 10 March 2014 12:52 (ten years ago) link

Isn't non-payment of council tax a criminal thing for the same reason? The council can't turn off the streetlights etc.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:00 (ten years ago) link

They could blindfold you.

Alba, Monday, 10 March 2014 13:04 (ten years ago) link

Council tax debts are primarily civil offences. Persistent non-payment can lead to criminal conviction where you had the means to pay in the first place. It's not a criminal matter in the first instance so failing to pay won't mean you automatically end up with a criminal record.

Yuri Bashment (ShariVari), Monday, 10 March 2014 13:13 (ten years ago) link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10701148/Noel-Edmonds-Its-time-to-sell-the-BBC...and-we-could-buy-it.html

Original article is behind the times paywall. It's every bit as nuts as you'd expect:

Obviously from a business perspective we are not about to reveal our plans in detail, but our new BBC will not be encumbered with the infrastructure and practices of traditional broadcasting. Today every phone owner is, in effect, a broadcaster. Your smart TV is a studio and your PC is a radio station. You are the master of your media. Such mastery makes a mockery of an organisation that operates more than 50 channels at a cost of £5bn.

Under our plans, the new BBC becomes as important to the consumer as the hardware without which none of us can now function. We refer to this as BBC Gaia — a lifestyle in which the new BBC is the default position for all consumer information, education and entertainment. It’s our 21st-century Reithian vision.

sktsh, Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link

nothing says Lord Reith like Deal or No Deal

pings can only get wetter (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 16 March 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAo-xyIEEkI

oppet, Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link

^ we refer to this as BBC Gaia

sktsh, Sunday, 16 March 2014 19:22 (ten years ago) link

the review show was fucking terrible, good riddance

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link

however, what will bidisha do now??

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link

too soon?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link

That article is from match 2013

koogs, Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link

March 2013

koogs, Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:22 (ten years ago) link

once a month is still TOO MUCH

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:27 (ten years ago) link

The final episode is this Sunday, apparently.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 27 March 2014 22:59 (ten years ago) link

http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2014/03/bbc-axes-review-show-20-years/

I hope they bring back Tom Paulin one last time, if only in order for him to call Harry Hill's X-Factor musical Zionist propaganda, or something.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Thursday, 27 March 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I just saw the last episode without knowing it was being cancelled, I hadn't seen it in a few months. It and Culture Show and any other similar programmes used to annoy me a lot but I enjoyed them enough to watch them regularly for something like 10 or more years; sometimes there was really good stuff in there.
I'd prefer to think the internet has replaced these shows than the idea that anyone interested in this sort of stuff has dwindled that badly.
BBC 4 really has turned to shit. I don't think I'd mind if BBC was sold, especially if it meant people stopped getting harrassed about tv licences, because I've always dreamed of not having a tv someday.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link

BBC Broadcast was already sold to an Autralian hedge fund several years ago. What other bits do you think should be sold? And who do you think should be the buyer?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 April 2014 11:58 (ten years ago) link

Don't think Robert cares as long as his 'dream' "of not having a tv someday" is realized.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 April 2014 12:53 (ten years ago) link

I'll admit I don't know much about the issue and if I am curious enough, I hope all the facts don't take too many hours to read.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 13:15 (ten years ago) link

I don't even have a dream.

pick it up for ripple laser (onimo), Friday, 18 April 2014 13:28 (ten years ago) link

just take responsibility for your own life and get rid of your own damned TV and leave the BBC intact for those of us who want it and appreciate it, even for its flaws.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link

and who want to pay for it

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link

not really any sentient argument for paying for market-level shit like bbc1 radio1 etc via a poll tax enforced by criminal censure

that shit should all be privatized and the less market amenable public interest stuff financed via general taxation

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link

I live with other people, it isn't my tv.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link

Actually, fuck privatising the BBC. A TV licence is cheaper than the cable package I'd inevitably be forced to buy in the name of 'choice' in a post-privatised world. I consider that my licence pays for multiple channels and radio stations where I never have to watch an advert for anything but another BBC programme. BARGAIN.

baked beings on toast (suzy), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link

yeah the serenity you get from not having to watch adverts is probably less valuable than ending a system that criminalizes hundreds of thousands of people irrespective of whether they consume bbc content, two thirds of whom are women, along with plenty of non-english speakers, the indigent and vulnerable, whoever the capita tv licensing etc vermin can intimidate most easily in lieu of a search warrant, and dozens of whom are then imprisoned when they can't afford the fine

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:15 (ten years ago) link

I have a friend who said the investigating people she met were polite and easy to convince. But I get the impression others are more demanding? If I moved into my own place with no tv, would I possibly have to convince them I don't use the iPlayer or the radio function on my CD player?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

there is no obligation to acknowedge them at all unless they have a search warrant

Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (nakhchivan), Friday, 18 April 2014 17:34 (ten years ago) link

But what if they did have a warrant? How much do you have to prove.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link

hundreds of thousands of people? really?
I know a real piece of work who takes pride in refusing to pay for a TV licence (despite being well able to, and watching it very loudly all day) and she won't answer her door unless you do a 'special knock' because she's scared of being busted. However, she's never had anything more than a letter every so often.

kinder, Friday, 18 April 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link


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