Dub / Reggae: An Idiot's Guide

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'sometimes i feel like this kind of reggae/dub is the best music ever made'

fixed.

mark e, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link

I do too. I can go weeks without listening to anything made outside of a tiny section of Kingston between 74-82.

brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

your display name kind of gives that particular game away ..

mark e, Thursday, 13 March 2014 21:11 (ten years ago) link

shakey, this mixtape is great. thank you.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 March 2014 01:27 (ten years ago) link

Wtf at that lloyd Parks cover image

Downloaded the mix - thanks! Sounds killer so far.

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 14 March 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link

Exactly what humorist (horse) said above.

Daniel Giraffe, Friday, 14 March 2014 09:11 (ten years ago) link

this mix is on point shakey, thanks.

late to the party, but this cut off of that Studio One Roots comp mentioned upthread hits this same minor key+it shall be dread+righteous rastaman spot for me. and its infectious as hell, one of cornell campbell's best joints:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNoB-ed9DNE

kyenkyen, Friday, 14 March 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link

^^^yes!

marcos, Friday, 14 March 2014 14:01 (ten years ago) link

what was most eye-opening, so far, has been the linval thompson songs. blood gonna run is unbelievable. should'a played it during "occupy" protests! no, wait . . . well, maybe.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 March 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link

haha

there is more where that came from in Linval's catalog

also, glad people are digging the mix!

compiling it I was kinda struck by how little certain deejays got into this style - Dillinger definitely did it, but that was the lone I-Roy cut that I could find that felt like it fit. U-Roy never did this kind of thing afaict.

i've kind of been digging big youth's style a LOT lately

marcos, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

interesting you mention the deejays, because your mixtape reminds me that -- in many respects -- "toasting" isn't my thing. there's something about the vocal tics that go with the style, e.g., the almost slurred vocal delivery and speaking/singing over the original material, that doesn't appeal to me. but (a) when i like it, i like it a lot; (b) i can see where the format is perfect for the niche you wanted to explore, and (c) it turns out that some of the people labelled as "toasters" (or, i guess, deejays) don't sound much like the typical style, e.g., the yabby you song on your mixtape, which sounds more like a straightforward reggae singer.

man, some of the discoveries on this mixtape -- e.g., linval thompson's blood gonna run; yabby you's walls of jerusalem; willie williams' armageddon time; rod taylor's jah jah is calling; keith hudson's jonah -- are beyond amazing.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 March 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link

I have heard one Linval Thompson song,and it is one of my favorites of all time; apparently I need Shakey's mix

Reality, that incessant contrarian (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:01 (ten years ago) link

i'm just totally struck by how many reggae artists i know without knowing a lot individual names. i never heard of linval thompson but when i listened to the mix i'm like "oh yea, the guy who sings jah jah is the conqueror." i have so many reggae albums that depending on whether it's a dub album or a toaster album or the singer/band's album they are all labeled and credited differently, so it can be hard to know who created the original tune.

marcos, Friday, 14 March 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link

I have heard one Linval Thompson song,and it is one of my favorites of all time; apparently I need Shakey's mix

― Reality, that incessant contrarian (Drugs A. Money), Friday, March 14, 2014

the blood & fire linval thompson comp is a must-have.

shakey, i've never even heard of that yabby you before. is it out of print? can't see it on itunes, for instance.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 14 March 2014 22:40 (ten years ago) link

no idea. Roots Archive notes it was also issued as "King Tubby meets Vivian Jackson" and has this alternate sleeve
http://www.roots-archives.com/artwork/albums/thumbs/7765.jpg

I think I got it from a random d/l somewhere

and yeah he is more like a singer than U-Roy-style toaster

King Tubby Meets Vivian Jackson is the alternate title for Yabby You's second (I think) album Walls of Jerusalem. A lot of it's on Jesus Dread, but not that track.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link

Which I guess is also the same as that Chant Down Babylon Kingdom LP above.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link

these actual versions are on jesus dread? not saying they're not; i just don't remember it that way.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link

Jamaican releases are super fucking confusing.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link

otm

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:27 (ten years ago) link

Yes songs from this LP are on Jesus Dread on the second disc.

The first disc is Conquering Lion and versions/dubs of that record. Second is the bits of second Yabby You record and versions/dubs and various Prophet, Wayne Wade cuts.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link

Walls Of Jerusalem / Vivian Jackson & the Prophets
Jerusalem Dub / King Tubby's
The chilling opening track to the powerful album of the same name - also released under
the title 'Vivian Jackson Meets King Tubby'. Yabby's heartfelt lyric on the crucifixion is
made more moving by its complete lack of ambiguity. The dub shows why Tubby shared
credits on the album.

King Pharaoh's Plague discomix / The Prophets & Trinity
Plague of Horn / Tommy McCook
King Pharaoh Dub / King Tubby's
Jesus Dread / Trinity meets Dillinger
Far too many discomix releases were little more than cynical attempts to run seven inches
worth of music onto twelve inches, at an exorbitant price. Not the case here; it's difficult
to believe that this was actually the official B-side. Yabby You and Trinity sing out as if
their very lives depended on it - 'alright, alright, alright'. As if that wasn't enough, a
previously-unreleased sax cut keeps up the pace, ushering in a further dub mix from
Tubby and taken from the 'Walls Of Jerusalem' album. The last cut of this great rhythm
has Trinity (and Dillinger) enthusiastically endorsing the power of the Yabby You sound,
and testifying to its popularity on London's reggae scene in the mid-seventies. 'Natty
humble in a Four Aces club, natty humble in a Noreik'.

Chant Down Babylon Kingdom discomix / The Prophets & Trinity
Chanting Dub / King Tubby's
Hornsman Chant / Tommy McCook
The A-side of the aforementioned 12" discomix, and a real tour-de-force for all involved.
The dub track is from the 'Walls Of Jerusalem' showcase LP; Tommy McCookís tough sax
version is previously unreleased. Each cut stands on its own merits, but the cumulative
strength of vocal, deejay, dub and instrumental workouts is quite awesome.

Fire In A Kingston / Vivian Jackson & the Prophets
Fire Dub / King Tubby's
Yabby tours the war zones that were Kingston's ghettos in the election year of 1976; the
rhythm was played by Sly & Robbie at Channel One. Both cuts appeared on 45 and on the
'Walls Of Jerusalem' album

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link

So four of the six vocals in either full length or discomix format and four of the six dubs as well.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:31 (ten years ago) link

Lol I mean amusingly EVEN in the sleeve notes they refer to the same album by two different names.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link

And neither are the name above Chant Down Babylon Kingdom. (o_O)

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:33 (ten years ago) link

Jamaican releases are super fucking confusing.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, March 14, 2014

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:34 (ten years ago) link

Either way all those tracks are fucking amazing. Jesus Dread is one my favorite B&F releases.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link

Also like that there is grammatical error on King Tubby Meet Vivian Jackson...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:39 (ten years ago) link

i gotta re-explore jesus dread. i know i've said that before. it gets lost among a lot of other releases. another thing i recall about jesus dread is that it's really only a handful of instrumental tracks, maybe with yabby you laying different vocals on top of it? that made it a bit harder for me to get into the album, i think.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link

Well the same songs are versioned a bunch but those versions are mostly killer so I don't get complaining about it. There's no lack of vocals on either disc either (Yabby You or various toasters or eventually proteges like Michael Prophet and Wayne Wade).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:20 (ten years ago) link

I mean all five of these share the same backing but you won't hear me complaining:

Jah Vengeance / Vivian Jackson & the Sons of Jah
Revenge / Tommy McCook
Freshly / Dillinger
Natty Dread On The Mountain Top / Tappa Zukie
Gwan & Lef' Me / Trinity
Tubby's Vengeance / King Tubby's

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:23 (ten years ago) link

Or counting either since uh that's six tracks.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:25 (ten years ago) link

so, the linval thompson album where blood gonna run and money money come from appears to be african princess, with songs recorded from 1975 -- 1983, but mostly from 1975 -- 1976. it's available on itunes, but there's almost no real information floating around the web on the album.

anyone heard it/have opinions on it? i love those two songs immensely, and the rest of the songs on the disc (from the snippet samples) seem to be working in a similar vein.

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 01:53 (ten years ago) link

I got both tracks off a vinyl album called Cool Down on Clocktower Records.

digging this. "country-reggae"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl6jnIW2OA0

Daniel, Esq 2, Saturday, 15 March 2014 22:09 (ten years ago) link

Another shout for Dub Landings.

mohel hell (Bob Six), Saturday, 15 March 2014 23:10 (ten years ago) link

i've listened to shakey's blood gonna run mixtape far more than any other album this year. it's so great. i've even come to love some of the toasters, and that's not normally my thing at all. the big-youth tracks crackle with revolutionary energy. i wish shakey would put together a vol. 2, if there's enough tracks to make it work.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 21 March 2014 01:00 (ten years ago) link

Oh go on

Second volume wouldnt be too difficult but would have to wait a little while

Oh go on

― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, March 20, 2014

seriously. my 13 year old daughter -- whose normal fare is bruno mars and lady ga ga -- said she had the song, blood gonna run stuck in her head. that's amazing to me.

she did roll her eyes when she heard me say that big-youth line, "certain place on king street they say there is a car bomb. so it is, baby."

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 21 March 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link

that big-youth line works better coming from him than from a 46 year old commercial litigator.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 21 March 2014 02:02 (ten years ago) link

yah this is good shakes

gbx, Friday, 21 March 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link

My girls at under 10 used to get and ask for Congos tunes all the time. Watta la la bom bom etc... it is hard to believe that anyone with ears could not be smitten with the mighty Congos.

Hinklepicker, Friday, 21 March 2014 04:45 (ten years ago) link

plenty of people are unimpressed with that record. see, e.g., omar, outdoor_miner and sam 500, way up-thread.

i love heart of the congos, but de gustibus non est disputandum.

Daniel, Esq 2, Friday, 21 March 2014 07:42 (ten years ago) link


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