Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

Hearing non-overdubbed "Jack Straw"s from that tour, it's obvious they made the right choice in overdubbing.

25 yrs of obsessive fandom and I've arrived at the following conclusions, let me know where I'm wrong:

Jack Straw is their most concise mix of folky lyric and The Big Jam as the years went on.

Help>Slipknot takes the cake for the jazz fusion thing.

Dark Star is it's own (great) thing and I love it but...

China>Rider is the essential, so solid through the years. The signature item.

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I dont think they played Dark Star as often as they played China. You may want to put a category in for Scarlet Fire, that was a big piece of the show from '74 on

Dark Star is it's own (great) thing and I love it but...

China>Rider is the essential, so solid through the years. The signature item.

you may be right. dark star '68-'69 is easily my favorite dead thing ever, but imo the dark stars after this period fell off immensely.

Jack Straw is their most concise mix of folky lyric and The Big Jam as the years went on.

i agree with this!

Yeah I will admit to being pretty deep in the hole as far as live dead goes. Seems like I can't go a couple days without firing up something from archive .org. And as everyone knows there is no better driving music than live shows from 72.

― tylerw, Friday, March 14, 2014 9:33 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I got in the car the other day and Europe 72 was cranked from when my wife had been driving the day before, she was adamant that it was best possible driving music

― joygoat, Friday, March 14, 2014 2:36 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have logged many miles listening to Europe 72.

― Mark, Friday, March 14, 2014 9:21 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha, yea, europe 72 for me means driving to some hiking spot on gorgeous sunny days in late may and june

Jack Straw is their most concise mix of folky lyric and The Big Jam as the years went on.

I was listening to Veneta second set this morning and thinking about "Jack Straw" a lot - kind of the quintessential Weir tune for me in that it ramps from languor to a sort of agitated celebratory vibe that's got a weird (and in this case awesome) edge to it. I also wonder whether Hunter would have fed an opening line as gross and cringe-inducing as "we can share the women, we can share the wine" to Jerry Garcia although I also think it does a neat job of encapsulating, in one line, the nasty "sure, my old lady'll fix us dinner, she's mellow" sexist vibe of NoCal hippieism-in-practice

China>Rider is the essential, so solid through the years. The signature item.

"Bird Song" holds this spot for me though China>Rider when it's peaking, right at the segue, beats Help>Slipknot>Franklin's Tower for sheer lost-in-the-seamless-moment awesomeness

I always interpreted "Jack Straw" as a study of their fans -- "we can share what we got of yours, 'cause we done shared all of mine" = the perpetually moochy Deadhead -- while also addressing them -- "You keep us on the run," we have no alternative but to keep touring, and we love you guys, but at the same time, you have these expectations that dammit we're trying to meet, but you're kind of hassling us (also cf. Jerry's reluctance as a public figure).

For the analogy to Jack Straw, wouldnt a member of the band have to kill another member, or at least a fan?

ha, it is a cringey opening line if you play it as an anthem (which is what it became live), but in the context of Hunter's "country noir" kinda tunes from that period, I think it's clear that the characters are basically losers.

That's a great interpretation, Tarfumes - and it chimes with the fact that in later years, Weir was known to sing "used to play for acid/now we play for Clive" (a reference to the Dead signing up with Clive Davis' Arista)

Thanks, and lol @ Weir's line.

I think it's clear that the characters are basically losers.

^whoever "Shannon" is is clearly an idiot

we have no alternative but to keep touring, and yall made us spend all our money, so we'd have to keep touring.

For the analogy to Jack Straw, wouldnt a member of the band have to kill another member, or at least a fan?

― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Monday, March 17, 2014 11:55 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I dunno...I tend to think of those lines as Hunter imagining the lives/backstories of one of the more sketchier subsets of Deadheads (or the dealers who weren't Deadheads, but Deadheads were their customers, so they followed the band as much, or more, than Deadheads).

ha, it is a cringey opening line if you play it as an anthem (which is what it became live), but in the context of Hunter's "country noir" kinda tunes from that period, I think it's clear that the characters are basically losers

yeah I mean this is doubtless the right reading but in context it always comes off like Uncle Bob's ickville vision of paradise

ha, it is a cringey opening line if you play it as an anthem (which is what it became live), but in the context of Hunter's "country noir" kinda tunes from that period, I think it's clear that the characters are basically losers.

― tylerw, Monday, March 17, 2014 11:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^^^^ country noir OTM, although more just the pall of melancholy over a lot of those Hunter-penned early '70s songs-- Loser, Brown-eyed Women, Deal, Wharf Rat, Broke-down Palace, Looks Like Rain, Attics of My Life, etc.

First set of the xpost Dave Pick's Vol 9 U. of Montana concert (which Milo Miles went to, as recounted in his Fresh Air review) is still streaming on archive.org, or was last week, when I listened. No cosmic jams yet, just plenty karma ballads, good one by one, but very similar overall (6:plus-8:plus minutes, mid-tempo), except for a rousing "Scarlet Begonia." Actually, there might have been more excitement toward the end, but I passed out (no weed, alas, just high on boredom/life). But Vol. 10 looks good! The last of a three-night run at a mysterious little club called "Thelma" found the Grateful Dead restoring glory to the Sunset Strip for what was once just a fleeting moment, now preserved for eternity with this here Dave's Picks Volume 10. Hot off the release of the highly-acclaimed Live/Dead and setting the stage for Workingman's Dead, 12/12/69 stands to represent the crux of the band's musical past, present, and future. Witness the first signs of country, folk, and Americana infiltrating an otherwise wildly experimental and anarchic period, evidenced by Pigpen-driven classics like "I'm A King Bee," "Hard To Handle," "Good Lovin'" and a whopping 30 minute+ version of "Turn On Your Lovelight," as well as over a half dozen then-new compositions which show the Garcia/Hunter songwriting duo elevating the Dead to higher ground. Thelma turns the heat up indeed! More here, incl. listening party (oops, Sold Out-- but yall resourceful)http://www.dead.net/store/daves-picks/daves-picks-volume-10-thelma-los-angeles-ca-121269?eml=dead/041014/#listeningparty

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-06-12.nakcm304-mikeg-suraci.suraci.78162.flac16

People who want to hear The Dead freak out should listen to this show. I particularly remember having no clue that the Dead had music like this. Lots of psychedelic stuff on speed

― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:51 PM (3 years ago)

Just started exploring the Mydland era for the first time this weekend...started with a bunch of random songs on Youtube and then checked out Go to Heaven (which I really enjoyed, don't get why it has such a horrible reputation, but oh well). Anyway, went with 6/12/84 as my first full show, and yeah this is pretty fascinating stuff. "Me and My Uncle" w/ dance beat totally unexpected! Particularly dug "Scarlet Begonias" -> "Touch of Grey". But yeah, there's a very speedy vibe, particularly in the second set (they can barely keep up with themselves on "Eyes of the World").

Probably gonna explore Spring 1990 soon. Can't even begin to imagine what being into this band was like before the internet.

I also wonder whether Hunter would have fed an opening line as gross and cringe-inducing as "we can share the women, we can share the wine" to Jerry Garcia although I also think it does a neat job of encapsulating, in one line, the nasty "sure, my old lady'll fix us dinner, she's mellow" sexist vibe of NoCal hippieism-in-practice

this is great, lol

before the internet, you just basically took what you could get. i had hundreds of tapes and listened to all of them but prob only a handful were decent sound quality, esp compared to the digital versions on archive. and then there were people who would send copies through the mail in exchange for blanks and postage. it was the dark ages, maaan

I did a couple exchanges for blanks and postage for R.E.M. tapes in the late '90s, but that was still facilitated through the internet; not sure I could have pulled it off if it required, you know, actually interacting with other humans.

I did a handful of postage tape trades for Who and Kinks stuff pre-internet, but it was a crapshoot in terms of sound quality -- one person's A+ SB was another's C- SB, or sometimes SBs were actually AUDs.

IlRC there were listings of traders in the back of Relix and Dupree's Diamond News. If took forever to get copies back from these ppl, but man my brother and I used to get so pumped when a package would arrive.

i never did pre-internet tape trading, but i remember in 93-94 going to a dude's house who had maybe 50 dead tapes and it seemed like an embarrassment of riches.
i listened to some of those Thelma Theater shows that are the next Dave's Picks and they are pretty killer. Actually the audience tape from a different night might be better?

I also wonder whether Hunter would have fed an opening line as gross and cringe-inducing as "we can share the women, we can share the wine" to Jerry Garcia although I also think it does a neat job of encapsulating, in one line, the nasty "sure, my old lady'll fix us dinner, she's mellow" sexist vibe of NoCal hippieism-in-practice

this is great, lol

― marcos, Monday, April 14, 2014 12:55 PM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Won't defend the lyric but I think the line that follows - "we can share what we've got of yours, cuz we've done shared all of mine" - is telling. It's about those who would take advantage of the sort of NoCal hippie utopia you allude to. The freeloaders among the freeloaders, if you will. I think it's far a more cynical tune than that line, taken out of context, might suggest.

Huh, never heard "Scarlett" -> "Touch", I like it.

i never did pre-internet tape trading, though plenty of my friends did. they had those tape shelves that were like 3 or 4 feet high that could fit 50-100 tapes or so. there was always a shelf for the dead and another for fish. the tapes were so damn murky and worn out, i feel like couldn't even tell if it was phish or the dead playing. could've been the pot though.

there was always a shelf for the dead and another for fish PHISH!!!

Around '94 or '95 I did a couple B+P trades for some Phish shows, then I met a guy in one of my archtiecture classes that would copy me Dead shows. I think I only had about 10-12 total tapes, I think they are still around somewhere.

hey! i'm doing a summer of dead thing this year again on doom & gloom, but I'm asking for other people to contribute too, so I thought I'd put it out here on ILM. could be fun, already have some interesting contributions... http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/87313206822/summer-of-dead-2014-call-for-submissions-dead

also this is pretty cool, newly surfaced?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqlADKgCS_Y

I was thinking about shooting you an email to do 1995, but I doubted that I'd be as eloquent about it as others. Specifically I'd want to write something up about the last 7/9/95 Soldier Field show since I was supposed to go but didn't, and have been oddly drawn to the show despite the obvious dip in quality.

do it! really, it can be as eloquent / ineloquent as you want.

Excited for this! Way more interested in what others have to say, but if I get motivated I'll let you know Tyler.

do it!
http://radiofreephoenix.com/images/sunshine%20day%20dream.jpg

my wife and I were just talking about Watkins Glen, she really wanted to go! Unfortunately she was 17 and her dad wouldn't let her.

guy who owns a local bbq place was there, said he did not see a single band. "i could almost hear some of it."

tyler, i wld like to write something, this weekend, abt 5/26/72

yeah! just email it to tywilc AT gmail.com. i'm probably going to start posting them in a week or two...

Whatta tyme trip! Even better musically (differently groovy visually): Dead with Allmans on same occasion, doing that "Mountain Jam":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS0m7hrCfHc

Duane with the GD, "Dark Star-Spanish Jam," Fillmore 1970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh9SyiQUfg0

Oh, well, actually, there's more of these encounters than had occurred to me:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Grateful+Dead+Duane+Allman

Don't miss "It Hurts Me Too," GD x Duane in '71 (caveat: Weir sings! OK by me)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgPV9DFkQFs

Then there's GD w Dickey Betts, "Not Fade Away," June 6. 1973 (a bit more Weir, but mostly instrumental):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niI2yEEJtYE

It's from this show https://archive.org/details/gd1973-06-10.sbd.miller.tobin.patched-89730.90979.flac16 This YouTube excerpt is the first 10-odd minutes of the final subset in the third set: "Not Fade Away-->Goin' Down The Road Feelin' Bad-->Drums-->Not Fade Away (Weir's baack, at his Weirest and then some--still okay by me)-->Johnny Be Goode"

Say "Guten Abend" to your Grateful Dead friends and family at our 4th annual Grateful Dead Meet-Up at the Movies! This year's epic one-night event will feature a complete rare live studio performance of the Dead captured during their legendary European tour in 1972 with audio remastered from the original analog tapes. Never officially released and never before seen in its entirety, the Bremen, West Germany's Beat Club TV program studio performance features the classic 1972 lineup - the last known video of Pigpen, and captures the Dead in their prime, playing at the height of their powers and tearing through a condensed version of a typical Europe '72 concert. This very special night will offer a unique view of the band, allowing fans in cinemas to hear fly-on-the-wall chatter and get up-close and personal with band members in one of their most intimate studio performances ever. We have no plans to release this concert on DVD or home video of any kind, so don't miss out on what could be your only chance to see it!

"Grateful Dead Meet-Up at the Movies: Beat Club 4/21/72" will only be playing on the silver screen for one night! Come out and connect with Dead Heads in your neighborhood on July 17 at 7:30pm local time.

Tickets are now available at participating theater box offices and online at www.FathomEvents.com.

Ugh, why aren't they doing this on Jerry's birthday like all three previous years? I'm away on the 17th. Whatta bummer.

definite bummer, looks like a good time. somehow i don't believe they aren't going to put it out on DVD, but who knows, maybe they only have the rights for this one screening.
here's what i'm listening to today - https://archive.org/details/gd1970-06-04.123798.gdnrps.sonyTC124.olsen.droncit.flat.flac16 - very enjoyable audience tape from 1970.

this is in fulllllll swing
http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/tagged/summer-of-dead
http://38.media.tumblr.com/d93e8d6d9393f1b72caa44b34eafdb8b/tumblr_n83wigb20t1qzy30io1_1280.jpg
definitely would love to have anyone here contribute...

Speaking of xpost Jack Straw:

http://www.dead.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/product-main/grateful-dead-daves-picks-11-cover-art.jpg?1406065249

Jack Straw may have been from Wichita but the Grateful Dead only played there once and what a show it was! Whether the band knew they would only have one shot to show the "Doo-dah" city what they were all about, we just don't know but they sure did nail it. Dick's Picks producer Dick Latvala initially considered this one for release and with a single listen, you'll know why. From the epic 90-minute 16-song first set to super tight ditties from the massively popular Workingman's Dead and American Beauty albums and newly minted Europe '72 classics like "He's Gone," "Brown-Eyed Women," and "China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider," you're bound to agree. Lest we forget to mention the great sounding tapes and excellent acoustics at the Century II Convention Hall. (Oh, and as a little bonus, we've thrown in the best of the bunch from Oklahoma City 11/15/72!)

Mastered in HDCD from the original soundboard recordings produced by Owsley Stanley, with fresh artwork from Tony Millionaire (and his little dog too), and liner notes from original handbill artist and then first-time Grateful Dead concert attendee Gary Houston, this sonic adventure is one to cross off the old bucket list.
(Ships Aug. 1)

The cover info doesn't come across too legibly there, but it's

Dave's Picks Volume 11: Century II Convention Hall, Wichita, KS 11/17/72

Wow, I hadn't been paying attention to the Dave's Raves series lately, since it mostly seemed to focus on post-'72 stuff. But that Wichita show looks aces.