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where does it say the purported thing? because it's loking increasingly like i am absolutely wrong, which i will accept with good grace.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps the Guardian could re-employ this soon-to-be-notorious 'Bigot Ron' in a new, hilariously ironic capacity, like they've done with Ann Widdecombe and the problem page.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:05 (twenty years ago) link

To be fair to the big fella, 'purportedly' sounds like one of those words with which he'd pepper a sentence without really thinking what it means.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:06 (twenty years ago) link

they could call the column 'Don't Worry Mate, I'm Just Having a Laugh.'

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

Thing is, if he's been caught this one time by Middle Eastern TV not turning down the audio feed, it would suggest that he's said this kind of thing to his studio colleagues. I suppose you can't really blame them for not reporting him, but it does leave a rather nasty taste in the mouth. Maybe they're all at it.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

none of you think he ever knows what he's saying. why do you value his commentary?

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:09 (twenty years ago) link

Supposed to be a 'before' at the end of my first sentence.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

RJG, the greatest art has elusive and fluid meaning.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

ah, it is an art, to you. racism is an art. you really disgust me. please resign.

you don't have to be racist, to enjoy his commentary, it just helps.

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

It is sad. We all treasure the old stalwarts, the Atkinsons, the Jimmy Hills, the Harry Redknapps etc. because they'rec an authentic link to football's past in this country. Some of them, like Redknapp, still have something to offer. But we like to imagine they've buried the olde worlde baggage they come with. I usually assume they haven't myself, they're just too experienced to let anything slip on tv.
Redknapp's said some dodgy things. David Pleat's racist, but too stupid to understand that he is.

― de, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

I do not treasure Jimmy Hill.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:14 (twenty years ago) link

OK, I do. What does he do these days, anyway?

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

Doesn't he still do his Sky show, set 'chez Jimmy', on Sundays?
I haven't watched it in a while, no access to Sky.

― de, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, bloody Sky.

― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

ah, it is an art, to you. racism is an art. you really disgust me. please resign.

you shouldn't be flippant with those sorts of accusations, it doesn't help anyone.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

Purported - taken from another board.

However, Guardian is reported he said of Desailly 'He's what is known in some schools as a fucking lazy thick nigger.'*

He also was caught out calling Tottie a 'little twat' on air 18 mkonths ago.

* - That'd be those fee-paying schools. Runs for cover

x-post what does Redknapp have to offer apart from [removed due to better judgement]?

― Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:24 (twenty years ago) link

Beating Man Yoo is something we can all appreciate.
Except Swygart obviously.

― de, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:27 (twenty years ago) link

'arry did get pompey promoted, too. and has a nice line in looking completely stoned all the time.

oh which subject, it would be great if english managers smoked fags all the time like italian ones.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:29 (twenty years ago) link

Only because it'd mean most of them died before they hit 60.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

it still seems strange to see big sam without a pint of tetleys, even though i've never seen him with one.

― matthew james (matthew james), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

He's got two milky pints under his jumper

― I hate myself, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 23:33 (twenty years ago) link

If it had been David Crosby, you'd be calling for him to be lynched by now.

The amount for slack that is cut in the UK for anything football related in pretty amazing.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Thursday, 22 April 2004 05:46 (twenty years ago) link

David Crosby from The Byrds? I've been calling for him to be lynched ever since he wore a smock on the cover of Fifth Dimension. Although obviously I haven't, because it came out 14 years before I was born.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:37 (twenty years ago) link

I was thinking earlier that it might have been a studio tech who'd got pissed off with commentary such as the above, who could then have left the mike open. If this kind of thing is endemic amongst commentators, I'd certainly be well hacked off if I was lowly scum who couldn't complain for fear of my job. But I dunno, it might just be a mistake.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:49 (twenty years ago) link

"I never comment on black players and I'm not going to break the habit of a lifetime for that lazy thick nigger".

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:56 (twenty years ago) link

Ron was always the co-commentator who studied the game off-screen. By that I mean he was looking at formation, shape etc which wasn't being captured by the camera. You need that.

It's a shame. But no question, he had to go.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:58 (twenty years ago) link

Hahaha whilst watching Room 101 we realised that Gareth had actually nicked his brown "thing" from style guru BIG RON.

HOW WE LARFFED.

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:06 (twenty years ago) link

He was also saying during the commentary that Lampard, terry, Parker and Bridge looked up for it. But Desailly, Crespo, Veron, Hasselbaink didn't.

See what he's doing there?

On a related note, my Turkish taxi driver last night said to me 'I'm not racist, but Jews and blacks can't drive.'

― Dave B (daveb), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:15 (twenty years ago) link

Bigot Ron Cars is already up and running? He's a resourceful man.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:25 (twenty years ago) link

I noticed that thing with the English players... (but with the exception of Crespo he was actually right, annoyingly)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not convinced Crespo was an exception apart from for about 20 minutes.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Gudjohnsson looked pretty sharp until the formation change as well.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:38 (twenty years ago) link

They all looked shite when the formation changed.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:40 (twenty years ago) link

Taxi drivers in Istanbul can drive. God, can they drive! (If you have ever been in one there, or about to, you'd better pray they all can. Suffice to say, our party of people always made for the back seats rather than the fron one)...

That's got nothing to do with ron, but thereyergo

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:44 (twenty years ago) link

Perhaps Ron was drunk. I've always equated his face with that of a drinker.

Not that this excuses what he said, but I know I've done some stupid things when drunk, like go to the Borderline.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

well, being from the north of england i know people of atkinson's generation, many of them lifelong socialists and extremely political who still use words like p/-\k1 and n1gger routinely. it's frustrating and ludicrous that they can't see how wrong it is. interestingly atkinson was on a repeat of room 101 last night talking about housework and how it was "one of the reasons - oh no, one of the many reasons women are put on this earth". this is pretty indicative of what a belligerent old dinosaur he is. i don't necessarily think he's right up there with the aryan nation or anything, and he's always seemed quite affable and funny, but there's no excuse for this at all. sometimes people need to say this stuff, though, just to show that no matter how much we like to think we live in a happy racially integrated world and all the big battles have been won, we don't and they haven't. this stuff is still pretty entrenched in some minds. also it shows silly old sods like atkinson that it's not acceptable.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

see back of my mind i still wish that ron may have been just trying to be hip with the kids and he was in fact just doing ghetto-speak. (yo don't be a lazy nigger y'all etc)

but somehow i doubt it :(

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:48 (twenty years ago) link

Stelfox OTM regarding northern men of a certain age.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

Yo, whassup, we're gonna go get crunk with Big Ron - holla back at me!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck's sake, you get all that shit down South too, you know. Maybe not in London, so much, but elsewhere.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

stelfox otm. it's sad that with a lot of (esp older) folks it's hard to change the old ways of thinking when it's basically what you've grown up learning all those years. but i'm happy that at least as a society i think most people are now conscious (at least) that this kind of things just ain't fair game.

(also ron was a pretty shit commentator really.. ronnisms excepted)

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

I seem to remember Corentin Martins being brought on for Inter in the Champions League last year and Ron was utterly enthused, like "THEY'RE GONNA THROW HIGH BALLS AT THE TWO BIG LADS ETC ETC, THIS IS GONNA BE SOMETHING". It was slightly odd, I forget if the other striker was black, that's just what sprung to mind when N said he remembered Ron making iffy comments.

He was full of vaguely unsavoury stuff on that Room 101, his comments about physios were particularly wrongheaded, but they were amusing when I saw it. I can't help but feel this incident will change all his quirks from "quaint and funny" to "prehistoric and useless", as his popularity bombs.

X-post, "ATLANTA GEORGIA, BIG RON, LITTLE JON, ELEPHANT MAN, 2004," god that would be amazing.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:55 (twenty years ago) link

N. OTM too - you get it in Devon for sure, however down here, because of the lack of racial and ethnic groups, it's a very different thing. I can only really comment on Yorkshire and Devon.

― Sick Nouthall (Nick Southall), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:56 (twenty years ago) link

i only know about my family and where i'm from nick it's more prevalent than anywhere else i know - i guess that's because of class mobility etc. in the north most of my family and older family friends are working-class, whereas in the south most of the people of ron's generation that i know are fairly middle-class parents of friends etc. that's not to say that it doesn't exist across classes, it's just that in some circles it's vocalized in others it's not.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago) link

oh i thought his stuff about physios and moaning footballers was great. fuck's sake, if i could earn £100,000 for just one week i'd be positively thankful for any arthritis i may get.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:01 (twenty years ago) link

Well that's it exactly - you move in different kinds of circles to your old family life. Sorry - I know you're the Northerner and I shouldn't be getting on a high horse, but I don't like propagating the notion that the North is substantially worse on this score than anywhere else.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:03 (twenty years ago) link

"the ideal physio, FOR ME, leans out the door of the treatment room with a fag on, so noone can get in"

with a FAG ON. I had too many spliffs ON the other night and my lungs are killing me.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, there are a lot of factors at play, but i do generally think that the vocalization aspect is a bit worse in the north than the south. just a culture thing, not to say the attitudes are much different, just that i don't *hear* them as much.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:09 (twenty years ago) link

On a related note, my Turkish taxi driver last night said to me 'I'm not racist, but Jews and blacks can't drive.'

How can he tell they're Jewish?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago) link

Honk if you're Jewish.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 22 April 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago) link

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If it wasn't fot those pesky kids, he'd have gotten away with it...

Also, 'Sunday Sport columnist'. Sheesh.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago) link

My conscience is not in my heart.

I did not know about this. Well done, Dwight Yorke and Co.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago) link

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