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this would have been a bizarre errand, i guess, since a list (plus descriptions) is the book, but i wonder if anyone's compiled a list of the titles in steve barrow's 1997 reggae: the rough guide. probably the best thing is to just pick-up the book itself.

someone did, in fact, compile a list of barrow's essential recordings from the rough guide book. it's an interesting, if highly debatable, list:

The Beginnings: Mento to Ska

Jamaican Folk Traditions

o V/A – From the Grass Roots of Jamaica (Dynamic, JA)

The Birth of the Sound System

o Aitken, Laurel – Pioneer of Jamaican Music (Reggae Retro, UK)
o Count Ossie – A Rasta Reggae Legend (Moodisc, US)
o King Stitt – Dance Hall ’63 (Studio One, JA)*
o V/A – Sir Coxsone & Duke Reid in Concert at Forresters’ Hall (Studio One, US)

Ska Authentic

o Alphonso, Roland – Something Special: Ska Shots (Heartbeat, US)
o Drummond, Don – Best of (Studio One, JA)
o Lord Creator – Don’t Stay Out Late (VP Records/Randy’s, US)
o Maytals – Prince Buster Record Shack Presents the Original Golden Oldies Vol 3 (Prince Buster, JA, UK & US)*
o Skatalites – Foundation Ska (Heartbeat, US)
o Skatalites – Ska Authentic (1964, ND/Studio One, JA)
o Skatalites – Ska Authentic Volume 2 (1964, ND/Studio One, JA)*
o Skatalites – Ska Boo Da Ba (1966, Westside, UK)
o Skatalites & Friends – at Randy’s (VP Records, US)
o V/A – Club Ska ’67 (Mango, UK)
o V/A – Club Ska ’67 Volume 2 (WIRL, JA/UK)*
o V/A (Clement Dodd Productions) – Ska Bonanza: Studio One Years (Heartbeat, US)
o V/A (Top Deck Productions) – Ska Down Jamaica Way (Top Deck, UK)

Jamaican Jazz – a Brief Survey

o Ranglin, Ernest – Below the Bassline (Island Jamaica Jazz, UK)
o Ranglin, Ernest – Sounds & Power (Studio One, US)

Rude Boys & Rocksteady

o V/A – Catch This Beat (Island, UK)*

Rude-Boy Music

o Dekker, Desmond & the Aces – Action! (Late 60s, Esoldun, FR)
o Ellis, Alton – Cry Tough (incs: Mr Soul of Jamaica LP, Heartbeat, US)
o Tosh, Peter – The Toughest (Studio One material) (Heartbeat, US)

Get Ready, It’s Rocksteady – Duke Reid & Coxsone

o Andy, Bob – Song Book (Coxsone, JA)
o Boothe, Ken – A Man & His Hits (Studio One, JA)*
o Heptones – On Top (Studio One, JA)
o Kelly, Pat – Vintage Series (Treasure Isle material) (VP Records, US)
o Melodians – Swing & Dine (1960’s) (Heartbeat, US)
o Paragons – Golden Hits: The Great Treasure Isle Collection Vol 2 (Treasure Isle, FR)
o Techniques – Rock Steady Classics (Treasure Isle material) (Rhino, UK)
o Wilson, Delroy – Original Twelve: Best of (Coxsone, JA/Heartbeat, US)*
o V/A – Duke Reid’s Treasure Chest (Heartbeat, US)
o V/A – Mojo Rocksteady (Heartbeat, US) (3 versions of this but only one is a CD)

Catch This Beat: The New Producers

o Smith, Slim – Early Days (Total Sounds, JA)*
o V/A (Joe Gibbs Productions) – Joe Gibbs: Amalgamated Label, Explosive Rocksteady 1967 73 (Heartbeat, US)

Early Reggae

o V/A – Monkey Business (Trojan, UK)
o V/A – The Harder They Come: Soundtrack (Island, UK)

The Big Three in the Reggae Era

o Brooks, Cedric – Im Flash Forward (1977, Studio One, JA)*
o Burning Spear – Presenting (Studio One, JA)*
o Burning Spear – Rocking Time (Studio One, JA)*
o Ellis, Alton – Sunday Coming (Studio One, JA)
o Holt, John – Like a Bolt: Classic Rocksteady & Reggae (Westside/Demon, UK)
o Marshall, Larry – Presenting (Studio One, JA/Heartbeat, US)
o Mittoo, Jackie – Keyboard King at Studio One (Universal Sound/Soul Jazz, UK)
o Mittoo, Jackie – Tribute to… (Heartbeat, US)
o Wailing Souls – Wailing Souls (1st Album) (Studio One, JA)*

Promotions to the Premier League

o Brown, Dennis – Best of… (4th Album) (Joe Gibbs, JA)*
o Campbell, Cornell – Minstrel: Classic Reggae 1972-77 (Westside, UK)
o Ethiopians – Original Reggae Hit Sound (Trojan, UK)
o Maytals – Bla Bla Bla (1966-70) (Esoldun, FR)
o V/A (Clancy Eccles Productions) – Clancy Eccles Presents his Reggae Revue (Heartbeat, US)
o V/A (Harry Mudie Productions) – Let Me Tell You Boy (Trojan, UK)

New Producers Enter the Arena

o Hudson, Keith – Flesh of My Skin, Blood of My Blood (Mamba, UK)*
o V/A (Keith Hudson Productions) – Studio Kinda Cloudy (Trojan, UK)*
o V/A (Rupie Edwards Productions) – Pure Gold (Success, UK)*
o V/A (Winston Riley Productions) – Roots Techniques (Pressure Sounds, UK)

Wake the Town: How the DJ Came to Rule the Nation

o Big Youth – Screaming Target (Gussie, JA/Trojan, UK)
o Dennis Alcapone – My Voice is Insured for Half a Million Dollars (Trojan, UK)*
o U-Roy – Super Boss (Treasure Isle material) (Esoldun, FR)

Rebel Music & Rasta Chants

o Byles, Junior – Curly Locks: Best of… & the Upsetters 1970-76 (Heartbeat, US)
o Byles, Junior & Friends – 129 Beat Street: Ja-Man Special 1975-78 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Marley, Bob & the Wailers – African Herbsman (Trojan, UK)
o V/A – Rebel Music (Trojan, UK)
o V/A (Lee Perry Productions) – Upsetter Collection (Trojan, UK)
o V/A (Winston Riley Productions) – Blood & Fire (Trojan, UK)*

Roots Reggae

o V/A – Classic Reggae: Definitive Revival Reggae Mastercuts Vol 1 (Mastercuts, UK)

Marley, Bob & the Wailers

o Marley, Bob & the Wailers - Legend (Tuff Gong, JA/Island, UK & US)
o Marley, Bob & the Wailers - Natural Mystic ((Tuff Gong, JA/Island, UK & US)
o Marley, Bob & the Wailers - Songs of Freedom (Box) (Tuff Gong, JA/Island, UK & US)
o Wailer, Bunny – Blackheart Man (Solomonic, JA/Island, UK)

UK Connection

o Black Uhuru – Showcase (Taxi, JA/Heartbeat, US)
o Burning Spear – Marcus Garvey (Fox, JA/Island, UK)
o Burning Spear – Social Living (Burning Spear, JA/Blood & Fire, UK)
o Gladiators – Trenchtown Mix Up (Virgin/EMI, UK)
o Ruby, Jack Presents the Black Foundation (Jack Ruby Productions) - Black Foundation in Dub (Heartbeat, US)

The Producer as Auteur

o Brown, Dennis – Visions (Joe Gibbs Record Globe, JA)
o Campbell, Cornell – I Shall Not Remove 1975-80 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Clarke, Johnny – Don’t Trouble Trouble (Attack, UK)
o Clarke, Johnny – Dreader Dread 1976-78 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Congos – Heart of the Congos (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Culture – Two Sevens Clash (Joe Gibbs Record Globe, JA/Lightning, UK)
o Mighty Diamonds – When the Right Time Come/I Need a Roof (Well Charge, JA/Virgin, UK/Channel One, US)
o Miller, Jacob – Who Say Jah No Dread (Greensleeves, UK)
o Pablo, Augustus – El Rockers (Pressure Sounds, UK)
o Pablo, Augustus – Original Rockers (Rockers Int, JA/Greensleeves, UK)
o U Roy – Right Time Rockers (1976) (Soundsystem, US)
o Walker, Sylford & Welton Irie – Lamb’s Bread International (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Yabby You – Jesus Dread 1972-77 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o V/A (Augustus Pablo Productions) – Classic Rockers 2 (Mango Reggae Refreshers, UK)
o V/A (Bunny Lee Productions) – If Deejay Was Your Trade (Blood & Fire, UK)
o V/A (Lee Perry Productions) – Build the Ark (Trojan, UK)
o V/A (Lee Perry Productions) – Open the Gate (Trojan, UK)
o V/A (Winston Riley Productions) – Observation Station (Heartbeat, US)

Nyahbingi Music

o Count Ossie & the Mystic Revelation of Rastafari – Grounation (MRR, JA/Ashanti, UK)

The Small Axes

o Abyssinians – Satta Massa Gana (Heartbeat, US)
o Royals – Pick Up the Pieces (Wambesi, JA/Magnum, UK)
o Wailing Souls – Wild Suspense (Massive, JA/Mango Reggae Refreshers, UK)

Cultural Toasters

o Big Youth – Everyday Skank: Best of (Trojan, UK)*
o Doctor Alimantado – Best Dressed Chicken in Town (Greensleeves, UK/RAS, US)
o Prince Alla – Heaven is My Roof (Tappa, JA)*
o U Roy – Don’t Check Me with No Lightweight Stuff 1972-75 (Blood & Fire, UK)

The Mainstream

o Andy, Horace – Good Vibes (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Andy, Horace – In the Light/In the Light Dub (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Brown, Dennis – Open the Gate: Greatest Hits Vol 2 (Heartbeat, US)
o Brown, Dennis – Some Like it Hot: Greatest Hits Vol 1 (Heartbeat, US)
o Higgs, Joe – Life of Contradiction (1975, Micron, JA/Esoldun, FR)
o Isaacs, Gregory – Soon Forward (African Museum, JA/Virgin, UK)*
o Romeo, Max – Open the Iron Gate 1973-77 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Wilson, Delroy – Sarge (LTD, JA/Charmers, UK)

Roots Harmonies

o Israel Vibration – Same Song (Top Ranking, JA/Pressure Sounds, UK)

Some Reflective Rastamen

o Fred Locks – Black Star Liners (Jahmukmusik, JA/Vulcan, UK)
o Hinds, Justin & the Dominoes – Travel with Love (1984, Nighthawk, US)
o Little Roy (w. Ian Rock & the Heptones) – Tafari Earth Uprising (Pressure Sounds, UK)
o Moses, Pablo – Revolutionary Dream (Jigsaw, JA/Tropical Sound Trace, UK)*

Dub

o Various Producers – Rodigan’s Dub Classics: Serious Selections Vol 1, Mixed by King Tubby, Prince Jammy & Scientist (Grapevine, UK)

Dubwise Shower

o Dodd, Clement (Productions) – Dub Store Special (Studio One, JA)*
o Gibbs Joe & Errol Thompson (Productions) – African Dub Almighty Chapters 1-4 (Joe Gibbs Record Globe & Rocky One, JA)*
o Holness, Winston ‘Niney’ (Productions) – Dubbing with the Observer (Observer, JA/Attack, UK)*
o Hookim, Joseph ‘Joe Joe’ (Productions) – Vital Dub Strictly Rockers (Well Charge, JA & US/Virgin, UK)*
o Hudson, Keith (Productions) – Pick a Dub (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Jackson, Vivian (Productions) – King Tubby’s Prophecy of Dub (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Lee, Bunny (Productions) – Dub Gone 2 Crazy: In Fine Style 1975-1979 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Lee, Bunny (Productions) – Dub Gone Crazy: Evolution of Dub at King Tubby’s 1975-1979 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Pablo, Augustus (Productions) – King Tubby’s Meets Rockers Uptown (Yard, JA/Clocktower, US)
o Perry, Lee (Productions) – Blackboard Jungle Dub (Upsetter, JA)*
o Perry, Lee (Productions) – Super Ape (Upsetter, JA/Island, UK)

Dub Explosion

o Mudie, Harry (Productions) – Meets King Tubby’s in Dub Conference Vols 1-3 (Moodisc, JA/Moods, US)
o Rodney, Winston (Productions) – Living Dub Vols 1 & 2 (Burning Spear, JA)*

Dubbing into the 1980s

o Brown, Glen (Productions) - & King Tubby: Termination Dub 1973-79 (Blood & Fire, UK)
o Thompson, Linval (Productions) – Scientist Encounters Pac Man (Greensleeves, UK)
o Thompson, Linval (Productions) – Scientist Meets the Space Invaders (Greensleeves, UK)

Dancehall

o V/A – Forward: a Selection of Greensleeves Top Singles 1977-82 (Greensleeves, UK)

Roots Tradition, the Roots Radics & Barrington Levy

o Isaacs, Gregory – Lonely Lover (African Museum, JA/Pre, UK)
o Levy, Barrington – Collection (Greensleeves & Time One, UK)

Deejay Dominance

o Lone Ranger – M16 (J&L, US)*
o V/A – A Deejay Explosion Inna Dance Hall Style (Heartbeat, US)

Dance Pon the Riddim

o McGregor, Freddie – Bobby Babylon (Studio One, JA/Heartbeat, US)
o Minott, Sugar – Live Loving (Studio One, JA/Heartbeat, US)
o Osbourne, Johnny – Truths & Rights (Studio One, JA/Heartbeat, US)
o V/A (Clement ‘Coxsone’ Dodd Productions) – Showcase Vol 1 (Heartbeat, US)

Henry ‘Junjo’ Lawes Rules the Dancehall

o Wailing Souls – Fire House Rock (Volcano, JA/Greensleeves, UK)

Prince Jammy

o Half Pint – Monkey Man Skank (Jammy’s, JA)*
o V/A (Prince Jammy Productions) – Prince Jammy: A Man & His Music Vol 3, Hits Style (RAS, US)

Sugar Minott

o Minott, Sugar – Black Roots (Black Roots, JA/Mango, US)

Sly & Robbie

o Brown, Dennis – Brown Sugar (Taxi singles comp) (Taxi, JA)
o Kamoze, Ini – Ini Kamoze (Island, JA)*

Worries in the Dance: More Producers Join the Crowd

o McGregor, Freddie – Big Ship (Thompson Sound, JA/Greensleeves, UK)
o Mighty Diamonds – Changes (Music Works, JA)*

Ragga

One Rhythm Albums

o Kelly, Dave ‘Rude Boy’ (Productions) – Arabian Jam (Mad House, JA & UK)
o Kelly, Dave ‘Rude Boy’ (Productions) – Pepper Seed Jam! (Mad House, UK)

King Jammy

o Frazer, Dean – Big Bad Sax (Jammy’s, JA/Super Power, UK)*
o Gibbons, Leroy – Four Seasons Lover (Jammy’s, JA/Super Power, UK)
o King Jammy (Productions) - Prince Jammy: A Man & His Music Vol 2, Computer Style (RAS, US)
o Lieutenant Stitchie – Wear Yu Size [Great Ambition] (Jammy’s, JA/Super Power, UK)*
o Nitty Gritty – Trials & Crosses: Tribute to… (VP Records, US)

King Tubby

o King Tubby (Productions) – Presents Soundclash Dubplate Style (Taurus, JA & UK)*

Gussie Clarke

o V/A (Gussie Clarke Productions) – Hardcore Reggae (Greensleeves, UK)

Jammy’s Employees Go It Alone

o McGregor, Freddie – Now (Steely & Clevie, JA)
o Steely and Clevie (Productions) – Play Studio One Vintage (Steely and Clevie, JA/Heartbeat, US)

Ragga Sing a Hit Song

o Cocoa Tea – Come Love Me (VP Records, US)
o Griffiths, Marcia – Indomitable (1993, Penthouse, JA & US)
o Hammond, Beres – A Love Affair (Penthouse, JA & US)
o Paul, Frankie – Sara (Jammy’s, JA/Live and Love, UK)

Deejay Confrontation

o Banton, Buju – ‘Til Shiloh (Penthouse, JA/Loose Cannon, UK)
o Bounty Killer – My Xperience (VP Records, US)
o Capleton – Prophecy (Def Jam & Ral & African Star, US)
o Ninjaman – Bounty Hunter (Digital B, JA/Blue Mountain, UK)
o Shabba Ranks – Golden Touch (Two Friends, JA/Greensleeves, UK)

Rasta Renaissance

o Bushman – Total Commitment (King Jammy’s, JA/Greensleeves, UK)
o Garnett Silk – Gold (Charm, UK)
o General, Mikey – Spiritual Revolution (Qabalah, JA/Redbridge, UK/VP Records, US)
o Heritage, Morgan – Protect Us Jah (VP Records & Brickwall, US)
o Jahmali – El Shaddai (Germain, JA/US)
o Luciano – Where There is Life (Xterminator, JA/Island Jamaica, UK)
o Rose, Michael – Sly & Robbie Present the Taxi Sessions (Taxi, UK)*
o Tony Rebel – If Jah (VP Records, US)
o V/A (Bobby Digital Productions) – Digital B Presents Kette Drum (Digital B, JA)
o V/A (Sky High Productions) – Sky High & Mau Mau Present Marcus Garvey Chant (Sky, High, JA)

Bobo Dread Deejays, Chanters & Singers

o Anthony B – Real Revolutionary (Star Trail, JA/Greensleeves, UK)
o Capleton – More Fire (1999-00 comp) (VP Records, US)
o Sizzla – Black Woman & Child (Greensleeves, UK/Brisk Wall, US)
o Sizzla – Bobo Ashanti (Xterminator, JA/Greensleeves, UK)

Reggae in Britain

Roots, Rock, Reggae, UK Style

o Steel Pulse – Handsworth Revolution (Island, UK)
o V/A – Don’t Call Us Immigrants (Pressure Sounds, UK)

Lovers Rock

o Barry Boom – Living Boom (Fine Style, UK)
o Davis, Janet Lee – Missing You (Fashion, UK)
o Hunnigale, Peter – Reggae Max (Jet Star, UK)
o Kay, Janet – Ultimate Collection (Arawak, UK)
o Mafia, Leroy – Finders Keepers (Mafia and Fluxy, UK)
o V/A – Lovers Rock: Serious Selections Vols 1-3 (Rewind Selecta, UK)
o V/A (Fashion Productions) – Lovers Fashion Vols 1 & 2 (Fashion, UK)

From Deejays to Ragga

o Levy, General – Wickedness Increase (Ffrr, UK)
o Macka B – Sign of the Times (Ariwa, UK)
o Maxi Priest – Bonafide (Ten, UK/RAS, US)
o Top Cat – 9 Lives of the Cat (9 Lives, UK)
o Top Cat – Cat O’ Nine Tales (9 Lives, UK)
o V/A (Saxon Productions) – Saxon Studio Presents Dance Hall Specials Vol 1 (Saxon, UK)

Roots Revival

o Banton, Starky – Powers Youth (Fashion, UK)
o Brown, Leroy – Rhyme & Reason (Saxon, UK)

Reggae in the USA

US Reggae Takes Root

o Andy, Horace – Dance Hall Style (Wackie’s, US)

NY Dancehall & Ragga

o Red Fox – As a Matter of Fox (Elektra, JA/US)
o Shinehead – Rough & Rugged (African Love, US)*
o Shinehead – Troddin’ (Elektra, US)
o Washington, Glen – Brother to Brother (Studio One, US)
o Washington, Glen – Wandering Stranger (Studio One, US)

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:02 (ten years ago) link

I don't see much debate here. Almost everything here is amazing.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link

i meant omitted titles and maybe certain category-titles (not sure what barrow means by "big three in the reggae era," but that title, and the artists listed under it (esp. cedric brooks), made me do a double-take).

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link

Big three producers (Dodd, Buster, Reid).

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link

makes more sense. thx.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link

That book is a great read cover to cover IMO.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link

there are paperback copies on amazon for $2.99 (plus shipping).

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:18 (ten years ago) link

was intrigued by the jack ruby compilation. interesting producer imo. unfortunately, the "jack ruby presents" disc available on itunes isn't the one listed in barrow's book, i don't think. even so, there are some sweet-sounding tunes on the version available on itunes, like donovan's say you and vinnie taylor and the revealor's hard times.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link

Do you have the jack ruby hi-fi on Auralux?

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link

Is black foundation in dub the dub of the heartbeat black foundation comp from 2000 or so?

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link

i don't have any jack ruby comps (just his production work on individual albums for other artists (obv. ex.: marcus garvey).

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link

Well that both those are stellar.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link

this free rhodesia tune, attributed to jack ruby & the black disciples, is a nice intro to his sound, imo. everything soaked in these mysterious-sounding horns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkKz5UGvzDk

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link

i hope barrow's revived blood & fire label acquires the rights to, and reissues, all those otherwise-lost discs on the list above. many unavailable through the usual e-retail channels.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link

is junior byles still alive? i don't think he's been heard of since reappearing for some live performances around 2004 or so. sad story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xjhz4iifMI

this song is fantastic.

Daniel, Esq 2, Sunday, 23 March 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link

xp really? Most of the stuff was available on CD in some form so I'm surprised that it would be unavailable now.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 23 March 2014 19:21 (ten years ago) link

i just spot-checked 10 -- 20 titles on itunes and boomkat (for mp3s only), so a very unscientific survey.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 24 March 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link

So much for the cornucopias of the digital age...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 24 March 2014 00:26 (ten years ago) link

A few years ago (no less than 5), a Dub (or heavily Dub-influenced) track placed on the ILM yearly poll. Can someone remind me what it was?

daavid, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link

I meant no MORE than 5 years

daavid, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link

Nevermind, found it! :) It was "Welcome to Jamrock"

daavid, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:17 (ten years ago) link

Good thing you did cuz I doubt most people would think of that track as being dub or dub influenced.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 24 March 2014 02:32 (ten years ago) link

i was gonna say.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link

i like the track, tho.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link

Anything that samples "World-A-Music" is okay by me.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 24 March 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link

song's kinda fierce. it's been five years since that song; what happened to this guy?

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 24 March 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link

waht? Take out the vocals and it's pure dub!!!

daavid, Monday, 24 March 2014 03:17 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, was unaware of World-A-Music. Love it!

daavid, Monday, 24 March 2014 03:19 (ten years ago) link

so i'm browsing some reggae music threads and notice this quote from shakey:

I have never really gotten my head around why Marley stands so far apart from the pack in the reggae genre - it's like he's not even a part of it, he was off in his own stratosphere of success, which seems to have functioned almost entirely independently of the rest of the Jamaican music scene in the 70s.

― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:57 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

last night my wife and i dug up this bob marley documentary on youtube ("caribbean nights" from the 80s i think) that i first saw as a teenager, and watching it in my life now after i've spent years listening to reggae, most of which is not bob marley (though i very much like marley, especially w/ tosh and bunny, there is a lot of reggae i like more), i was struck by the same thing and found it really curious.

i've been reading michael veal's dub book on and off for the past few weeks too, and he also mentions that as popular and loved marley was, there was a whole slew of other stuff that was more popular with local jamaican audiences. bob was just kind of separate and on some other kind of level

marcos, Monday, 24 March 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link

anyway, just a thought, realize this is primarily a dub thread and i don't meant to move it towards LEGEND territory

marcos, Monday, 24 March 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link

yeah that's still something I don't fully get. my current theory is that Blackwell had a lot to do with it.

highly idiosyncratic, but highly interesting, list of the best dub albums, as of 1977. here's the list:

Black Echoes Top 20:

King Tubby Meets The Upsetter At The Grass Roots Of Dub (Fay Music - LP/CD)
King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown (Clocktower - LP/CD)
King Tubby Meets The Agrovators At Dub Station (Live & Love - LP/CD)
Pick A Dub (Atra - LP/CD)
King Of The Dub Rock (Safari - LP/CD)
Dub From The Roots (Total Sounds - LP/CD)
Blackboard Jungle (Upsetter - LP/CD)
Satisfaction In Dub (Earthquake - LP only)
Vital Dub (Virgin - LP/CD)
Revolution Dub (Cactus - LP/CD)
Dub Festival (Third Wotld - LP only)
Ras Claat Dub (Grounation - LP only)
King Tubby's Vengeance (Prophets - LP only)
More Scrubbing The Dub (Crystal - LP only)
Out Of One Man Comes Many Dubs (Ethnic Fight - LP only)
King Tubby's Prophecy Of Dub (Prestige - LP/CD)
Randy's Dub (Impact - LP only)
Treasure Dub (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
Dub Serial (Joe Gibbs - LP only)
Dub In Blood (Sunshot - LP only)

Black Echoes Best Of The Rest:

This Is Augustus Pablo (Tropical - LP/CD)
King Tubby Surrounded By The Dreads At The National Arena (Fay Music - LP/CD)
Tribesman Assault (City Line - LP/CD)
Brand (Brand - LP/CD)
African Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
Natty Locks Dub (Fay Music - LP only)
Dubbing With The Observer (Attack - LP only)
Gun Court Dub (Love - LP only)
Scratch The Upsetter (Upsetter - LP only)
Batta Dub (Well Charge - LP only)
Contempo (Black Jade - LP only)
Music Explosion (Ethnic Fight - LP only)
Thriller (Nationwide - LP only)
Dub Basket (Cactus - LP/CD)
The Message Dubwise (Melodisc - LP only)

The following are in no particular order of merit, but No's 36-70 are all regarded to be a fair selection of Dub goodies, whilst 71 onwards are merely worthwhile.

Tradition Style Dub (B.P.I. - LP only)
Ital Dub (Trojan - LP/CD)
Dread Locks Dread (Klik - LP only)
Dub Up Tenement Yard (Observer - LP only)
Medley Dub (High Note - LP only)
Creation Of Dub (Total Sounds - LP only)
Scrub A Dub (Crystal - LP only)
Rebel Dub (Third World - LP only)
Aquarius Dub (Aquarius - LP only)
Dub Sensation (Soundtracks - LP only)
King Tubby Presents Roots Of Dub (Grounation - LP only)
Sledge Hammer (Observer - LP/CD)
Sir Collins Music Wheel (Nice One - LP only)
Ganja (Harry J - LP only)
Kung Fu Meets The Dragon (DIP - LP/CD)
Dub I (Micron - LP only)
Herbs Of Dub (Micron - LP only)
African Dub Chapter Two (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
ABC Dub (Penetrate - LP only)
Rhythm Shower (Upsetter - LP only)
Dub Store Special (Studio One - LP only)
Satta Dub Strictly Roots (Well Charge - LP only)
Agrovators Meet Revolutionaries At Channel One (Third World - LP/CD)
Pleasure Dub (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
Cookin' (Horse - LP only)
Everlasting Dub (High Note - LP only)
Rasta Dub '76 (Grounation - LP only)
Bionic Dub (Forward - LP only)
Hi Fashion Dub Top Ten (Studio One - LP only)
Return Of Wax (Upsetter - LP/CD)
Earthquake Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
Sample Dub (Winro - LP only)
Harder Shade Of Black (Santic - LP/CD)
Prophets Bootleg Dub (White label - LP only)
Yamaha Skank At Dr. Satans Echo Chamber (Underworld - LP/CD)
Chant Down Babylon Kingdom (Nationwide - LP/CD)
Strictly Rockers Ina Dread Land (Live & Love - LP only)
Better Dub (Studio One - LP only)
Revolutionaries Sounds (Well Charge - LP/CD)
A Who Seh? Go Deh! (Rama - LP only)
Jah Jah Dub (Harry J - LP only)
Zodiac Sounds (Forwad - LP only)
Aquarius Dub Vol. 2 (Aquarius - LP only)
Garvey's Ghost Dub (Wolf - LP only)
Morris On Dub (Harry J - LP only)
King Tubby Meets Harry Mudie In Dub Conference (Moodisc - LP/CD)
Roots Dub (Winro - LP only)
Ital Talk (Jigsaw - LP only)
Dreadlocks In Jamaica (Live & Love - LP only)
Money Maker Dub (Studio One - LP only)
More Dub (Joe Gibbs - LP only)
Bag-O-Wire (Klik - LP only)
Revival Dub (Well Charge - LP only)
Straight To Babylon Chest (Live & Love - LP only)
Soul Revolution Pt. 3 (Upsetter - LP only)
Ital Dub (Studio One - LP/CD)
Treasure Dub Vol. 2 (Treasure Isle - LP/CD)
Fighting Dub (Love - LP only)
Reggae Confusion (Third World - LP only)
BB Seaton's Revolutionary Dub (Trenchtown - LP only)
Shalom Dub (Klik - LP/CD)
Leggo! Ah Fe We Dis (Rama - LP only)
Tapper Zukie In Dub (Stars - LP/CD)
Dub Basket Chapter Two (Cactus - LP/CD)
Zion Hill Dub (Terminal - LP only)
Ital Sounds And System (Studio One - LP only)
Collie Dub (Jigsaw - LP only)
Scientific Higher Rankin' Dub (Rama - LP only)
State Of Emergency (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
Sir Collins In Session (Nice One - LP only)
Mellow Dub (Studio One - LP only)
Reggae Confusion Vol. 2 (Third World - LP only)
Twelve Tribes Of Israel (Lucky - LP only)
Johnny Clarke Disco Dub (justice - LP only)
Ja-Man Dub (Ja-Man - LP/CD)
Can't Conquer Rasta (Justice - LP only)
Cloak And Dagger (Trojan - LP only)
Dub Me (Mor-Well - LP/CD)
Reggae Bones (Upsetter - LP only)
African Dub Chapter Three (Joe Gibbs - LP/CD)
Tommy McCook Instrumental (Justice - LP only)
Rasta Dub '77 (Micron - LP only)
Concrete Dub (Concrete Jungle - LP only)
Instrumental Explosion (Diamond - LP only)
Wareika Dub (Ghetto Rockers - LP/CD)
Musical Dub (Virgin - LP only)
Presenting Coxsone Affair (Tribes - LP only)
Step Forward Youth (Live & Love - LP only)
Entering The Dragon (Magnet - LP/CD)
Ranking Dillinger In Dub (Jackpot - LP only)

Note: The record labels mentioned are from the initial LP releases. Those that got a re-issue on CD, although sometimes not in their original form i.e. different tracklisting and eventually with bonus tracks, are indicated for your convenience.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 00:46 (ten years ago) link

used but perfect copy of dub landing has arrived. psyched! this stuff has been hitting my sweet spot lately.....

Tom Waits for no one (outdoor_miner), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 00:55 (ten years ago) link

Not sure what's so complicated about the Marley thing. The music and production (esp. once they got to Island) was largely out of step with what was going in Jamaica (a fact which might have concerned them except for the fact that they were HUGELY successful everywhere else). For a culture that is largely driven by seven inches and the sound system it's not remotely surprising to me that the Wailers who were not at all about either (esp. by the point that of their greatest international renown) wouldn't have much impact (aside from the odd cover) on the rest of the island.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 02:33 (ten years ago) link

Should clarify: much impact musically. OBVIOUSLY their success had a huge impact in terms of interest in Jamaican music.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link

i just found marley fans off-putting in college. eagles fans, too, for that matter.

Daniel, Esq 2, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link

Everyone did.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 02:57 (ten years ago) link

I was reading more in Veal's book Dub: Soundscapes and Shattered Songs in Jamaican Reggae, the separation between Marley and local Jamaican reggae was obviously there but it's not quite as simple as that. I thought these were some interesting passages that address some of the separation:

Along with Jimmy Cliff's soundtrack for Perry Henzell's film 'The Harder They Come,' Marley's 'Catch A Fire,' 'Burnin,'' 'Natty Dread,' and 'Rastaman Vibration' albums were more responsible than any other for stamping Jamaican music authoritatively on the map of world popular music.

Of course, it has recently become fashionable among reggae historians to emphasize Marley's distance from Jamaica's sound system culture, in order to prove their own knowledge of the full breadth of Jamaican music. This claim is partially justified; Marley's music and image have been disproportionately promoted as the heart and soul of reggae music, leadning to the disreaged of scores of talented Jamaican artists who remain virtually unknown outside of the country. But only partially: Marley's post-Lee Perry music might not have sold in as large quantities in Jamaica as it did internationally, but the Wailers composed many popular riddims during their Island years (1972-1981), a number of which were recorded by other artists, and which eventually entered the canon of generic riddims.

The truth of the matter is that Marley's music for Island Records broke new ground, and in no way so much as in the recorded sound of the music. The mixing of Marley's music dramatized his position at the forefront of Jamaica's musical and cultural vanguard, while simultaneously proclaiming Jamaica's important cultural presence in the postcolonial world order. The aggressive basslines of Aston Barrett were as tough as anything produced in Jamaica, and rank among the most celebrated riddims of the roots era. The interplay of Carlton Barrett's drum set and Bunny Wailer and/or Seeco Patterson's Nyabinghi-influenced hand percussion work brought a thick African underton to the music.

What set Marley's music apart was the clean, precise way in which the rhythm tracks were recorded, calculated to make them attractive to the international audience. This was a significant departure from the distorted, drum & bass orientation of most dancehall-oriented reggae. Comparison of Marley's recordings with cover versions of the his songs by other Jamaican artists demonstrates the specific choices that were made in the production of his music.

marcos, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:02 (ten years ago) link

there's a type in the second paragraph - "disreaged" should be "disregard" obviously

marcos, Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:04 (ten years ago) link

Sorry I don't buy the argument he's putting forth. I don't see the Island recordings as being terribly innovative (esp. given the almost mind-boggling quality of the dub/roots productions of that period or particularly influential on JA recordings (at certainly not much more so than many other influences of the period). I also don't believe any of the Marley Island riddims are among the most versioned.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link

shakey about your mixtape -- what places/albums did you pull that stuff from? just curious, it is all pretty great

marcos, Thursday, 3 April 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link

is that info not in the MP3 ID tags...? Tracks are from the following:

Linval Thompson "Cool Down"
Trinity "Shanty Town Determination: 1976-1978"
Max Romeo "War Ina Babylon"
Prince Far I "Under Heavy Manners"
Yabby You "Chant Down Babylon Kingdom" (altho per discussion upthread there seem to be a lot of different names for this release)
Dr. Alimantado "Best Dressed Chicken in Town"
Jah Lion "Columbia Colly"
Prince Alla "Only Love Can Conquer: 1976-1979"
Jah Stitch "Dread ina Jamdown"
Big Youth "Dreadlocks Dread"
Keith Hudson "Rasta Communication"
Willie Williams "Armagideon Time"
I-Roy "Gussie Presenting I-Roy"
Prince Jazzbo and the Upsetters "Ital Corner"
Prince Far I "Livity"
Dillinger "Top Ranking Dillinger"
Rod Taylor "Can't Stop Us Now" (this is a comp of Linval Thompson productions)

yeah, i've spun that comp shakey a few times.
good stuff.
ta muchly.

mark e, Thursday, 3 April 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link

working on a vol 2 but it may be a bit

....

a bit what ..

the suspense ..

mark e, Thursday, 3 April 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link

lol a bit = a little while
is all

Last Poets quote surprised me on this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BCgR8ix9QY

man, fellow idiots could not go wrong w/ this studio one rocksteady comp from this year

http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/releases/?id=35191

sweetly sublime

j., Thursday, 10 April 2014 19:08 (ten years ago) link


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