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Ach, that was very poorly put, and I am not exactly comparing Code Pink to Pussycat Dolls, obviously, but hopefully the point comes through. A lot of the thinking of political action things like Code Pink (or the Million Mom March, or whatever), is to use conventional, commonly held ideas about femininity and motherhood to attract a base that includes people who aren't usually political, or to cut across people's political leanings -- you see this rhetoric all the time, like "it's not about politics or party, it's about our FAMILIES and so we all come together because this is bigger than your workaday political squabbling." So in that sense Code Pink is totally unsurprising.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 06:41 (seventeen years ago) link

there is a really tough question embedded in this stuff (hi nabisco, thanks for understanding what I was saying and not comparing me to ayn rand!), and my maybe silly response to it is to say that I'm okay with the pink part* (what's so insidious about girliness, anyway?) but the "women are mothers and therefore different kind of beings than men and this is a kind of identity that we can mobilize politically" rhetoric has just gotten women in too much fucking trouble historically and all over the world, not just in the west, in precisely this kind of way--it does mobilize people and often has some immediate positive effect (though never for women, and never in the long run). it seriously makes me break out in hives whenever I hear women using it in support of any political platform no matter how progressive because it's like, remember how this is how we got fucked last time? and all the times before that? like, how can political movements happening in 2007 use the same gender rhetoric that Virginia Woolf used (with a considerable degree of irony and despair) in Three Guineas in the 1930s? doesn't anything ever change? I realize I sound slightly paranoid talking about this, and that's because I am but that doesn't mean that this kind of rhetoric isn't dangerous as hell.

*I get why dar1a is bothered by the pink thing, though.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 07:15 (seventeen years ago) link

that probably wasn't clear at all but the "I'm okay with the pink" was meant to be a nod to the mobilizing women strand of feminism, and me flipping out about the other stuff was my feeling that a line has been crossed where mobilizing people is not worth the price, i.e. NO THIS PART IS A TRAP STOP GOING OUT LIKE THAT, WOMEN OF THE WORLD!

but I'm still not officially talking about any of this.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 07:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ANYWAY. ann coulter has to be an a really committed performance artist; that's the only way I can make sense of her. I do think she's fairly pretty.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 07:26 (seventeen years ago) link

(I guess the best way I can think of to pinpoint the problem is that a lot of this modern rhetoric comes down to a "girls rule, boys drool" tactic -- which is unnerving not because it's poppy or simplistic, but because it encourages women to value or assert themselves within the same existing sex roles and ideas of gendered behavior. And so sure, there's something to be said for valuing and feeling good about those roles, but part of the whole point here was that men and women both should think about whether those roles are kinda fucked up and limiting to begin with!)

― nabisco, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

See, I'm at "don't worry about it - SAY NO." I say no to political movements in which women dress up in pink costumes. It's not that deep or complicated. It's a pink costume! It screams "Don't take me seriously!" And, I mean, if they need the pink costumes to mobilize people because otherwise the same people wouldn't be sufficiently interested in their issues, well, why should anyone take them seriously?

― daria-g, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Most of the wacked out leftists I know are direct democracy types or Chomsky-esque "anarcho-socialists". I seriously don't know any authoritarian leftists. I am, however, related to some authoritarian conservatives.

I think the whole "the extreme right and left meet up OMG it's a circle" crap is the result of lazy thinking.

I think there exists an authoritarian left, but that specifically, in this day and age, in this country, they are practically non-existent.

― Sock Puppet, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:02 (seventeen years ago) link

guys can we discuss this stuff in terms of Holly Hunter's film roles please, to include providing the voice of Elastigirl in The Incredibles

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

also note she played Billie Jean King in a TV movie once

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00005Y6YC.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1056706818_.jpg

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess what I'm trying to say is if a lady can be Holly Hunter in Broadcast News and then go be Holly Hunter in Raising Arizona, perhaps that would be why the avowed ladies on this internet thread would rather not go around in circles with a condescending closet misogynist about it

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link

haha take that, nabisco

― ghost rider, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link

god I'm going to go put myself in my own killfile again

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

no i liked the holly hunter bit. she also played jane doe in a movie about roe v wade!

― ghost rider, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I do think she's fairly pretty.

OK, but only if at least 50% of the population is pretty. And only then, if pretty was pinched in the head by god, stretched out, and, as an afterthought, given a leading man's jaw and an adam's apple.

― Sock Puppet, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:28 (seventeen years ago) link

She can cast a spell, with secrets you can't tell

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Holly Hunter, not ann coulter obv

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Holly Hunter is totally pretty.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not exactly comparing Code Pink to Pussycat Dolls, obviously

BOO

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

What about HH's turn in O Brother where she had her own brood?

Oh yeah, and Goldberg feels the need to rep for Dinesh Dsouza when somebody compares him to Coulter:

Dinesh's latest book is flawed and he's provocative, but his intent is not to shock for shock's sake and he engages his work on a level of scholarship that Ann doesn't.

Dinesh, of course, being the pundit who typed that the shenanigans of Abu Ghraib would not be out of place in an elitist/hedonist terrorsymp loft in Soho, only liberals didn't like the fact that po' white trash was involved.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link

hey guys there are these bumper stickers all over the west that say 'ski like a girl.'

where do they fit in?

― gbx, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

haha is that a dig on the US men's alpine teams?

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

this ho ain't pretty or cool.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

ski like a texan

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it's just a dig on bros in general.

second most common sticker is "drop in bro"

texans are universally terrible skiers. ditto coulter, probs

― gbx, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

-ski like a Polack

― max, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

http://deadnews.blogspot.com/2006/07/ann-coulters-jamband-interview-paid.html

― Steve Shasta, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Bobby is of course every girl's lifelong crush

this isn't helping the she's-a-man thing any

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/2803/bobweirmadonna5yz.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link

SEXIEST MAN EVAR

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link

jam band more like jams band lol amirite

― kingfish, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

http://lexardigital.typepad.com/alanhess/images/billandbob.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

bill walton lol

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:18 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.phish.net/faq/images/treyweir.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.thelivingdyed.com/images/02-BobWier-FOB.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

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― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.donjackson.com/(c)donjackson.com_HFBW__6102.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://leftovercheese.com/Bobby.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.sonic.net/~ckelly/Seekay/weir.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:40 (seventeen years ago) link

btw phil you are v. v. pretty

― ILB Mod, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.gratefuldeadmusic.com/marshall/JM4.jpg

― gabbneb, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I like how she says liberals hate freedom because they're always passing smoking bans, then admits that her deadhead friends were liberals because of drug legalization.

― milo z, Thursday, 8 March 2007 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

In other news, Sara Robinson wrote a bit here about the other bilious rightwing broadcaster who got slapped back for all his anti-gay shit last week. Michael Savage got dropped from CAA after he started attacking Melissa Ethridge(another CAA artist) on the air.

So now he's declared fatwa against Media Matters, for the crime of transcribing his on-air talk, and said the following:

You ought to be happy, you liberal SOBs, that I am only a talk-show host. You ought to thank God that I have no avariciousness in my soul. You ought to thank God that I'm not power mad like you liberals, because if I ever ran for office, I can guarantee you, you wouldn't be in business too long. I can guarantee you you'd be arrested for sedition within six months of my taking power. I'd have you people licking lead paint, what you did to this country.

― kingfish, Thursday, 8 March 2007 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

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