MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

I just got schooled on fb by a friend of a friend who says '60s radio was completely different than radio as we know it today, and two songs from 1968 (Turtles and Zombies) would likely have already fallen out of rotation for good by February 1969.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, April 20, 2014 10:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

According to wiki, "Elenore" was the final Turtles single of '68 (its parent album came out in November), so it's not completely out of the question that it would still be on air on Valentine's '69. And the Zombies song was regular soundtrack, not radio source music. SO THERE you can tell your friend.

Going deeper: "Elenore" was released in September '68, and the followup, "You Showed Me", appeared on 45 rpm in March '69.

But back to the ep itself: Such an improvement over last week. Don in the beginning, with the Ritz and the robe and the nostalgia tv--I, uh, know the feeling..

ALSO: “She has plans. Look at her calendar: Febuary 14, masturbate gloomily.”

Comcast started going crazy so I missed the last 20 minutes, and not for the first time either.

You missed the best part!

http://www.vulture.com/2014/04/mad-men-recap-season-7-valentines-day-sally-funeral.html

There are hints of reconciliation afterwards — Don’s check skip fake-out makes light of their shared skill at deception while reassuring Sally that he’s not a monster — but their final moment in the car cements the fact that something pure that once existed between them has gone. “I love you,” she says, then shuts the door and goes inside, not giving Don a chance to respond.

I think this guy has it all wrong. Sally telling her father I love you is a sign that she is willing to trust him again. When's the last time anyone said those three words on this show?

Don looked stunned

yeah that's a bizarre misreading imo. don and sally stuff was great. i know thematically there's alot of sopranos 2.0 going on here but i still think this is gonna have a much less cynical conclusion. peg's a mess.

yeah that's a funky reading of that scene, do not agree with vulture at all on that count

I agree. I thought maybe it was a bit on the nose, but the Zombies song that kicked in right away, I read that as Don and Sally coming to terms. He's finally revealing all his lies to her and in letting her in he's shocked by her love and support. Plus the bonding over deceit, which was great...

The warmth of your love
is like the warmth of the sun
and this will be our year
took a long time to come

don't let go of my hand
now darkness has gone
and this will be our year
took a long time to come

and I won't forget
the way you held me up when I was down
and I won't forget the way you said,
"Darling I love you"
You gave me faith to go on

Now we're there and we've only just begun
This will be our year
took a long time to come

yeah I think he has that childish thing of 'if I tell the truth I'm going to get in trouble' and even as an adult he is still surprised by the fact that Sally could forgive him and/or love him anyway

Dawn and Shirley call each other by the other's name

yeah loved this

I didn't buy Sally's identity confusion. Not that she wouldn't say it, but that the show hasn't written scenes between those two that would prepare us for the pseudo-profundity of the observation or that she's capable of it.

Seemed like a classic teenage thing, which might actually get articulated, given a disarming situation or three or more: like seeing him bang the big hair neighbor lady, and the family field trip to that House across the road, and the funeral ("in Queens by the racetrack...it was horrible: her mother was yellow and wearing a wig"); going to his office, and another man was there; "You don't know what it was like for me to come back here, what if I had to get on the elevator with her; he hairspray would make me want to vomit"); then in the diner, a conversation she'd prob never thought she'd have with him.
Including "Why don't you tell her you don't want to move to California?," see,just like that, and his expression...

why doesn't Don want to move to California?

Maybe he hasn't decided, but he looks surprised, as if she's seen this as the crux, as he might also---if he moves out there, it won't be like checking in (and trying not to do yet another remake of A Star Is Born) with young wifey, or recharging/confiding in long-gone Anna, or always having Manhattan to go homebase to. And stories will follow him; long as he's still in the ad biz,or something related, can't be like when he scammed dead drunk Roger into hiring him, as the genius from nowhere, the truly self-made man. And he'll be that far from from his kids, incl. the one he's suddenly, for the moment at least, kind of close to, who just told him she---loved him---damn!

What office did Dawn get?

Joan's!

and Joan got... Pete's?

Don could totally take Sally, surely Betty would be glad to be rid of her

it seems like the bigger question is yeah he doesn't really fit into Megan's world/life and doesn't want to admit it. and business-wise what would he do, just start another agency himself? that seems crazy. maybe he could start a cult.

that was much, much better than last week

sally's outburst about going to the apartment was so good

xpost Shakey Mo: That's what I always thought he might do---Anna's niece gets busted in Berkeley, pressured by feds to snitch, since she's a *radical*. She informs on Draper/Whitman's desertion/identity theft, having heard his story from her aunt, thinking he'll prob just get fined--but somebody wants to please J. Edgar and maybe the White House by making an example of that Mad Ave turncoat who scorned the great American campaign contributors who run tobacco companies--so off to Leavenworth a couple years maybe, then he resurfaces in the Human Potential Movement, like EST etc--don't say cult! A consultant, a discreet mentor, in a Palm Springs suit. But then I discovered that Elizabeth Moss is a child of Scientology--might not matter though/

Hope Matt Weiner doesn't see this, or not in time to change such an arc (I'm sure if this is the ending, he's twisted it in ways I've never thunk of)(but also, now I think Draper/Whitman wants to stay way in the background, and not have to deal directly with clients, followers, whatever)

do you guys know if i can pay for a download of this or any other show that I can put on a flash drive and watch on my TV? b/c I bought the first ep on iTunes and they seem to have done something where I can't transfer it to a flash drive or anything else—I can't even delete it! I'd rather not pay for a 1080 HD download and then watch it on my goddam laptop.

Dawn got Joan's job, not just her office

yeah--dawn telling lou to fuck off convinced joan she could handle it

i love how much lou sucks, i hope he remains a one-dimensional sucky character

"If his son Earle calls, always put him through."

I suspect he'd name his son Earle, not just Earl.

lou is so terrible. when it was obvious that he was totally in the wrong w/r/t him blaming dawn, he kept flat-out saying how he's not responsible or to blame for anything - but peggy acted the exact same way with shirley, just being angry and taking it out on someone who works for her.. for no reason, really. i felt like next week's promo was hinting at peggy being on thin ice at the agency

Allan Havey is really knocking it out of the park as the resentful past-his-prime office mook

Ted was awesome this episode. This episode was excellent. And:

I love how Dawn and Shirley call each other by the other's name, because presumably that happens in the office all the time.

Yes! And love how subtly this was done, too.

Yeah, made me think of "Max" in Annie Hall

Also, the two of them went silent when white colleagues came into the office kitchen, and carried on talking after the white colleagues left.

Don looked stunned

― How dare you tarnish the reputation of Turturro's yodel (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 21, 2014 11:13 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you guys really not get that was don realizing it was valentine's day?!?!

Oh shit, yeah. Sorry Megan.

The thing that probably pained him more than that realization is knowing that had he not been on "vacation" he'd have been pitching some of his drippiest romantic ideas to clients.

Sally's roomie really looks like Judee Sill

Didn't Dawn remind him it was VDay?

Dawn sorted flowers for Megan and told him it was V-day at their debrief.

yeah that's what i figured

he didnt call her!

I don't know if Megan is even expecting him to at this point.

he still has time, it's three hours earlier on in la, just find a payphone or something don.

yeah it was def. because of what sally said

like i said a few days ago, how often do you hear i love you on this show

how often do you hear "happy valentines day" tho

i feel like i hear it once a year or so

#humblebrag

He just got her a TV...Happy Valentine's Day