i think he would go to the movies. to pick up a penchant for the movies.
― j., Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
well no one got excited about the '69 Mets til May/June, and they didn't really catch fire til August.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
Shakey: modern advertising, esp that period, relied on the cultural cachet of foreign films and intelligent and or "racy" best sellers.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link
Model Shop def has that '60s cool vibe, tho it was a huge flop i think
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:38 (ten years ago) link
(well not huge in that it's shot mostly on the LA boulevards and in homes, and Anouk Aimee and Gary Lockwood couldn't have cost that much)
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
It wasn't a success. Fun Fact: Demy wanted Harrison Ford for the Lockwood part, but got shut down by the producers.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:40 (ten years ago) link
Roth, Gore Vidal, Updike, Bellow, Mailer -- they were actually best sellers.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
xp...and The Doors were approached about doing the score, a job that ended up with Spirit (who appear in the film).
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
yeah the foreign film thing is pretty understandable (boobs! "intelligence"!). The earlier seasons poetry chapbook namedrops are a little more perplexing.
xp
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
Thanks youtube!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOnavvQjYV8
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link
portnoy's complaint was the top selling novel of 1969 iirc. one writeup of this episode i read somewhere (nymag maybe?) noted a ton of echoes and callbacks to a season one episode where don is reading leon uris' exodus lol.
― balls, Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
Also most of this Draper stuff is in line with him being a auto didact.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
^^^ yes. He reminds me of what I've read about JFK: he could read novels and papers at an alarming speed and recite and summarize them w/out getting the sense that they'd affected him in any way.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
we all reinvented ourselves in the '60s you see
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 May 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link
Excellent episode! Definitely the zippiest and funniest of the season. Thought the office was looking v Kubrickian, then you lot pointed out the 2001 connection.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link
love the hippie transformation of Marigold...all those mundane little details of her dress, hair, demeanor were a+
and i loved the "must've been real hard to leave ME, DAD" standoff
just kinda pondering but is part of the reason don didn't do the work for peggy (aside from hi i am don draper world's biggest douchecanoe) that he was scared he had lost his touch? there was that look of rigid panic in his face when freddy said "do the work" that to me seemed to say "but what if i can't"
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 05:23 (ten years ago) link
roxy otm x 100 about hippies being corny, all the eyerolling details were otm
i loled at roger's joke abt putting a man on the roof
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 05:29 (ten years ago) link
just kinda pondering but is part of the reason don didn't do the work for peggy (aside from hi i am don draper world's biggest douchecanoe) that he was scared he had lost his touch?there was that look of rigid panic in his face when freddy said "do the work" that to me seemed to say "but what if i can't"
but wasn't he doing work for Freddy during his exile? i interpreted it more being Don as constant douche, tbh.
― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 06:38 (ten years ago) link
He was appalled at the idea of working under Peggy mainly.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 10:47 (ten years ago) link
his face in the meeting with her says it all
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 12:10 (ten years ago) link
Peggy deciding where to stand, etc - really great
http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/images/turnonadvertisement234235.jpg
― Darin, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link
it was don all of the sudden being at the bottom of the ladder again. you felt that.
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link
I think it was super weird for him because he's never been at the bottom of the latter in the ad industry. Wasn't he scouted as a car salesman for an immediate entry into a creative wunderkind job?
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link
fwiw Mad Style confirms that Peggy was in Lane's office before Don
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Oh, I was totally wrong. (I never rewatch previous Mad Men seasons once I've seen them.)
From wiki: "Not many details have been provided as to how Don Draper became the Creative Director at Sterling Cooper. Draper moved to New York City, where he worked as a fur salesman and attended City College at night. It was at this job that he met his future wife, Betty, a model who did a photo shoot for the company. Roger Sterling claims that he "discovered" Draper in this job and brought him to work at Sterling Cooper. In actuality, Sterling met Draper when he wanted to purchase a fur for his mistress Joan Holloway. After selling him the fur, Draper repeatedly lobbied Sterling for a job; Sterling declined Draper's repeated bids but accepted his offer to share drinks. Sterling became very drunk, and the next day, Don reported to work at Sterling Cooper, explaining to an astonished Sterling that he had offered Draper a job the night before."
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
that's maybe overselling the ambiguity a bit, but yeah it was not shown whether Sterling had actually drunkenly offered him a job (which, let's face it, is absolutely possible) or not
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure Don admits it at some point, maybe in a drunken pit of self-loathing. Or was it to the woman in California that dies of cancer?
― Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
he does not
― stadow shevens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
Fair enough, only watched the episodes once each myself.
― Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
http://madmen.wikia.com/wiki/Waldorf_Stories
It was bugging me so I looked it up. I was obviously conflating a number of events, and invented Don talking introducing the flashback, but Don's and Roger's faces in the last picture make it obvious (although not explicit) Don totally scammed it.
― Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
OK episode, although Don gets another hit on the charts.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 May 2014 03:04 (ten years ago) link
Ginsberg blew my mind (and his own).
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:05 (ten years ago) link
I was a little confused by Megan apparently chasing Stephanie out the door with the offer of money. Why did that happen?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:09 (ten years ago) link
i assume jealousy? like he was ready to drop everything and show up for stephanie, with a kind of enthusiasm he rarely shows for megan.
― reddening, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
fucking ginsberg tho, how awful.
― reddening, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, that makes sense. It just seemed like Megan turned cold as hell on a dime.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link
Megan's been hardened by putting up with Don's shit these past few years. She's not the person she was in past seasons.
― soxahatchee (Treeship), Monday, 12 May 2014 03:22 (ten years ago) link
More than just that jealousy. She was fine until Stephanie said "I know all his secrets".
― dan selzer, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I just caught that on the replay.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link
Sort of wish they went In a different direction with Ginsberg's character.
― soxahatchee (Treeship), Monday, 12 May 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
liked that episode a lot
― call all destroyer, Monday, 12 May 2014 03:38 (ten years ago) link
iirc megan has trouble in the fertility department (she miscarried), so maybe there's some jealousy over the pregnancy too.
― nurse with attitude (get bent), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:14 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/465676115353546753
― balls, Monday, 12 May 2014 05:16 (ten years ago) link
The final scene with the three dudes and the cab put this quote into my head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8_GVfPuw4M
― Pono For Pyros (zero of the signified), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:17 (ten years ago) link
Cutler has become quite a loathsome character, it's true.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 05:21 (ten years ago) link
this url
http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-mad-men-the-runaways-its-my-nip-in-a-box
― nurse with attitude (get bent), Monday, 12 May 2014 05:34 (ten years ago) link
That was genuinely horrifying and sad
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 12 May 2014 06:09 (ten years ago) link
Loved the 2001 ref tho
― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 12 May 2014 06:10 (ten years ago) link
WAYLON GODDAMN JENNINGS
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 May 2014 09:49 (ten years ago) link