I kinda doubt Dennis' estate would let that happen...? altho I dunno who owns the rights to that one exactly.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 May 2014 23:11 (ten years ago) link
"You shouldn't be with a woman."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 May 2014 02:48 (nine years ago) link
"A clean well-lighted place"
http://www.mrbauld.com/hemclean.html
― viacom dios, Monday, 19 May 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link
Even though Pete Campbell is gross, I did get a nice feeling with the three of them sitting at a table together.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 May 2014 03:12 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, me too. Also the Don/Peggy brainstorming and dance scene. Thought this was the best episode of the season -- it had more of the stuff I like about Mad Men, less of the stuff I'm tired of.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 May 2014 11:29 (nine years ago) link
I didn't...like the dance scene? Their relationship is too poisoned to support such a scene. She just endured another series of humiliations because men in power won't take her seriously, so now she has a tacit reconciliation with her former mentor? I didn't buy it.
Otherwise, yes, a good episode.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link
the dance was sweet and tender--they've worked together for a long time.
def. best ep. of the season
so what happens next?
don, peggy, pete kill the burger chef presentation
roger gets chevy
cutler gets philip morris
don, peggy, pete, roger start a new agency?
megan and pete's g.f. die on the plane when godzilla eats it?
― famous instagram God (waterface), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:57 (nine years ago) link
gotta keep in mind--peggy wants to please don no matter how much she hates him
also she has zero love in her life, and is def. searching for it
― famous instagram God (waterface), Monday, 19 May 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link
I liked Don and Peggy. Of course I wanted a confrontation between them, I always want the blatant exposition "Don, they don't trust me, you're undermining me!" but I'm glad they're not that obvious. When Peggy said "what would you do" and Don said "first I abuse the people's whose help I need", that was such a good line, cleared up years of baggage between the two. In one simple phrase Don acknowledges both how difficult a boss he was and how important she was, and how the rolls are reversed here and allowed it to be ok.
A bit soap-opera-y though, back to back with Joan's "I don't want a beard I want love!" and peggy's "what have I done wrong". Then Don's stark acknolwedgement "haven't done anything or have anybody). Both Don and Peggy did it their way, the only way they know how, and they're both unhappy and that's the series. I've been waiting all season for this because the history of the show has always seemed to be about Don and Peggy so for them to finally come back together in this context I think is getting us set-up for the final episodes.
Don peggy and pete definitely had a bit of that "get the band back together" vibe.
― dan selzer, Monday, 19 May 2014 14:16 (nine years ago) link
love this exchange:
Pete: "Don will give authority, you will give emotion." Peggy: "Don has emotion. I have authority."
― Roz, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
I saw the Don and Peggy dance scene as an answer to her question "what did I do wrong?" You fell in love with advertising/an image/an idealized projection as personified by Don (who, as pointed out, is also not happy).
The closing shot with the 50s nuclear family replaced by a corporate chain restaurant facsimile was amazing
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
I want the poster in Roger's room, does anyone know the name of it?
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
it's http://www.weidmangallery.com/cgi-local/poster_detail.cgi?i=2930
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 19 May 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
My God it's even more amazing up-close. I love the pixelated mouths. Humanity screaming into the future, Satan as salesman, the fires of hell engulfing all.
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
wow
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 16:20 (nine years ago) link
Here's another of his, for Forbes. LOL at "Capitalist Tool" being the tagline!
http://p2.la-img.com/1021/23072/8125905_1_l.jpg
― ▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 19 May 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
Seymour Chwast of Pushpin, which was cofounded by current Mad Men poster artist Milton Glaser.
― dan selzer, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
Still with the Dante references...
― baked beings on toast (suzy), Monday, 19 May 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
Stan's beard is reaching Beach Boy proportions
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
I barely even remember this Stan
https://scontent-b-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10341578_10152103569422078_475685226318574831_n.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
was surprised by the reappearance of Bob but this was a great way to close out his character arc - that short early opening scene with Joan and her mom and Kevin telegraphed that something about her domestic situation was on the horizon and then when Bob showed up I immediately thought "oh no he's going to make a bid for Joan to be his beard", the whole actual scene of which was just heartbreaking to watch, so well done.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
chwast is great btw, currently doing "Great book" adaptations in semi-comic form
― sitting on a claud all day gotta make your butt numb (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 May 2014 18:08 (nine years ago) link
also lol'd at I Am Curious Yellow ref
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
"Trust Megan to see a dirty movie!"
Grumpy Peggy owned.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 May 2014 20:53 (nine years ago) link
Oh man, both those zooms were amazing. Got me misty-eyed, both of them. Don and Peggy believing in My Way. Don Peggy and Pete enjoying fake burger chef. So fantastic, so cynical (they know it's fake, we know it's fake, but it's still SO GOOD) so heartbreaking and -warming at the same time.
This is still the best show on tv right now/ever.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
yeah my wife and I could not agree if this is better than the Sopranos or not (I'm reserving judgment to the end), the characterizations are so rich on this show, it's insane.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link
well, the trio in Burger Chef was like the Sopranos in the diner but no Journey, right?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link
I think the point of those respective scenes is a bit different. With the Sopranos the scene is supposed to be genuinely heartwarming, a family remembering "the good times" in a local neighborhood joint, the simple pleasures etc. Fucked up as they are, they really are a variation of the traditional American family unit that Peggy questions the existence of in Mad Men. Whereas with Mad Men the artificiality, the corporate facade, is made out to be more welcoming to these outcasts and losers who don't really have families at all, who are willing to settle for this shiny, plasticized version of a vague ideal that they have accepted as beyond their reach. I think in the latter there's kind of an obvious point being made that once the breakdown of the ideal 50s Eisenhower post-war nuclear family unit was complete, corporate America stepped in to fill the void, to replace it.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
yeah I did get the who-can-tell-the-dancer-from-the-dance intention
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
of course there's tension and irony in the Sopranos scene too, since it's staged and shot like someone is about to get murdered. I don't think anyone's about to get murdered in the Burger Chef (unless Pete brought his rifle)
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link
Bob Benson stabs him to death in the Men's Room.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 19 May 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link
One of the best things about Mad Men is the complicated relationship it has with fakeness. Because Don and Peggy dancing to My Way is fake as fuck - and they aren't going to have mended all their dificulties next week - but still it was so real. I love Bob Benson proposing to Joan, because in a way he is completely wrong and insensitive towards her, but in another way he is right. She says that he should choose love, but there is still like, forty years until that would be possible. She wants for them both to have something real, but his realness is so much more difficult than hers, so it's not really a fair comparison.
The show refuses to choose pat answers, so it has to return to these questions over and over to further complicate/refine them. It really frustrates me that so many people confuse that with the show going in circles or something like that.
― Frederik B, Monday, 19 May 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
yeah the pain of that scene goes way deeper than "Joan is lonely" or "it was hard being gay in the 60s", not least because each of these people has been repeatedly rejected and humiliated and stifled in the cruelest ways
― Οὖτις, Monday, 19 May 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
"Say what you will, but he's very loyal"
lol Don shilling for Harry after he got clued in
― a strange man (mh), Monday, 19 May 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
Swear Pete's girlfriend let rip with an unbleeped 'fuck' in this episode, first I've heard on Mad Men.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:15 (nine years ago) link
wasn't unbleeped
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:32 (nine years ago) link
at least not in my recollection
They've had a couple. I think the first came from Roger when Pete (& Don) lost that defense account.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:33 (nine years ago) link
Was unbleeped on my torrented copy, I went back and checked.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 00:36 (nine years ago) link
it was bleeped on AMC, unbleeped on my torrented copy as well. i thought that was odd.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
It was masked on itunes.
― Damnit Janet Weiss & The Riot Grrriel (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:47 (nine years ago) link
Bleeped on AMC where I am.
― dan selzer, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
Masked on iTunes :/
― a strange man (mh), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link
masked on my dvr
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 04:36 (nine years ago) link
Most of this show just washes over me lately but those last two scenes were pretty gold
Don & Peggy dancing didnt feel like a capitulation to me. It was both of them admitting exactly who and where they are & taking comfort in that. ...they just get to be real with each other one more time, like that night in the diner whenever it was a couple of seasons ago.
The new wrinkle is that this time around Don seems much smaller, Peggy bigger.
To me, anyway.
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
Bonnie's f-bomb goes uncensored on the Google Play version of the episode
― JRN, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 06:24 (nine years ago) link
xpost yeah it's the first time they've been able to talk to each other as equals, more or less.
Peggy stopped trying to assert herself in order to ask Don for help, Don admits that his life is a mess and that he's feeling insecure about everything.
― Roz, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 06:50 (nine years ago) link
last few eps have been great, this season at its peak has been as good as it's ever been.
i like how they faded My Way just as Frank was about to go into last verse crescendo mode.
since when were Megan and Peggy so happy to see each other? i sorta forgot they got along so well.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 11:19 (nine years ago) link
Didn't realise My Way was new in 69! I would've pegged it as at least a decade earlier somehow.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 12:39 (nine years ago) link
Not quite as big a hit as I'd have thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_Year-End_Hot_100_singles_of_1969
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Tuesday, 20 May 2014 13:01 (nine years ago) link