Wolfgang Voigt's GAS Project: the Poll

http://youtu.be/pqNJd6c1_Hg

(bleep 10 track)

I like some of the Deepchord stuff, but a lot of it is sort of unintentionally humorous to me. Like, when they try to approximate BC's atmospheric hiss and it comes out sounding like lawn sprinklers.

trying to buy pop for somebody as a gift but it's OOP & $1ZIL on a bunch of websites. does anybody know where would have it at normal sums?

The cheapest used copy on Amazon.de is 22 Euros, and the seloer ships overseas. Or do you need a new copy?

second-hand is okay, was hoping it would just be like ... the price of cds ... ten years ago ... minus eight dollars.
sorry to bump this thread with such a boring question. had a really nice time listening to gas, recently, teasing apart pop & finding pianos.

dude just spring a little more and get them nah und fern! that way if they want to hear all of GAS (which they will if you think they'd like pop)then they'll already have it.

it's a good price here: http://www.discogs.com/Gas-Nah-Und-Fern/master/14298
and here: http://www.amazon.com/Nah-Und-Fern-Gas/dp/B0018LMKGW

ooo, hey that's a great idea. i'm broke as hell at the moment but if it doesn't exist otherwise maybe i can talk myself into it. thanks, to both of you, help much appreciated, bringing gases to the masses.

weird okay nevermind. it says "used & new starting from $35" but when you click on the options they are all outrageously priced

i ran into this same problem years ago when i couldn't find out where to buy the albums and i ended up buying mp3s from kompakt's site. :( still ended up buying nah und fern to get physical copies

Yeah, I would suggest Nah und Fern too. The versions of Gas (the debut album) and Königsforst on that comp are slightly inferior to the original albums (Gas has two of its original tracks replaced by new tracks, and Königsforst has some weird sound compression issues in its best track), but the version of Pop on it is pretty much the same as the original album, the only diffrence is that a couple of the tracks are slightly longer on the comp.

between French horn and bass drum

pop V has a dope summer heat vibe.. like overheated, cooling out in the afternoon. AC on, shades drawn, etc

"NationalPark" is very nice. (Perhaps we've had this conversation elsewhere).

yeah it is, more pellucid and simple than gas with a cleaner sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KeQtXgDnRs

the fuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNX3z-a5SXo

http://experimedia.net/gasbox

So this version will include the original albums instead of the altered Nah und Fern versions? With the original tracks 1 and 3 on the eponymous first album?

No wait, the description says this:

Inside this comprehensive anthology, listeners will experience Zauberberg (1997), Königsforst (1998), Pop (2000) and the sought-after Oktember 12 inch (1999), all together available as luxurious ten LP and four CD edition.

So the first 1996 album isn't included at all?!

Man, fans of the first album really haven't been treated well, have they? First the Nah und Fern comp replaced tracks 1 and 3 with inferior new tracks, and now it's totally excluded from this one. It seems as if Voigt is embarrassed of it.

I mean, I get it that it's a bit different from the material that followed, because it doesn't have the classical music samples. But it's still an awesome record in its own right!

The first one is probably my least-favourite of the four but yeah, it's still good. I've only ever heard the Nah und Fern versions of any of these though, wasn't aware of all the track changes.

The Nah und Fern version is hurt by the track changes, IMO. The original track 3 in particular is totally cosmic and sublime, whereas the replacement tracks are pretty standard Gas stuff.

i love the first album

I do too. I'm still hoping to get a lot of gas for Christmas in the form of this box set, but it's kind of o_O that they had a second chance to do it right - defined by me as simply releasing all of the music, on vinyl, at full length - and still managed to leave everyone with the feeling that they're not really getting all of the primary gas albums. Sigh

i was pretty satisfied by the nah und fern tbh, that's a lot of GAS in one box and it was very cheap iirc

i mean the packaging and everything was not great but it was cool to have them in one place especially after being out of print for so long. i remember looking for GAS albums in 2006 or something before the rerelease and they were listed at like $200 each on amazon/ebay. i think i ended up buying mp3s from kompakt's site but had to decipher the german

Grrrrr I had no idea the Fern version of the first LP was different. I have no idea why he's screwing with this stuff so much, I wonder if there's an interview about it somewhere.

The logic of including Oktember is a little weird too as isn't half of that a track that was also on Königsforst?

that's true, i'm wondering if the inclusion of oktember points towards konigsforst having its original tracklisting - missing a1 (which was a-side of oktember) and including two other tracks (a1 and d1 on the original 2lp configuration).

the 3lp for all of them also makes me wonder if they're going to have longer edits (like some of the original lps vs cds)

The selling point for this box is that they're the longer edits, I believe.

jfc what a mess

i am not rly someone who can jedi mind trick myself into feeling justified in buying Expensive Vinyl Objects but i listen to gas every day & srch ebay for gas vinyl every sometimes & so want this. it seems closer to $130 thru kompakt. what is w 'KÖNIGSFORST 2016' #???

I am with you! I haven't gotten a box set in forever but this immediately jumped out as something that I need.

so are these albums impossible to find individually, in a cd format?

nevermind. stupid question

I am running out of room for records in general and box sets in particular, but I could never have forgiven myself if I missed out on this set. it took a couple of tries for Gas to click with me, but once Pop got its hooks into me it never let go. I love the comment upthread comparing it to Basinski's Disintegration Loops - IMO that is a very accurate comparison, and there aren't many musical projects that don't get completely dominated by The Disintegration Loops by comparison.

long story short: on October 28th, I will be blasting a bunch of Gas as loudly as my neighbors will allow.

The Nah und Fern CDs also included longer edits of some tracks than the original CDs, I wonder if it's the same ones used here? And if Königsforst still has the same weird remastering that marred the last couple of tracks, or will it use the original, superior master?

regarding the first album, are there tracks on the LP that aren't on the CD?

i have the kompakt cd boxset from a few years back.
no idea what that means re the versions,
but it matters not, as its all rather gorgeous.
i had no idea there was so much variation dependent on the version you have.

it "matters" because the missing first track from the self-titled album is amazing
and the (presumably) missing first track from the konigforst vinyl is amazing

the disappearance of the moderne ep in GAS lore is rather sad as well

just for posterity here's the differences between the albums. the nah und fern versions all have some different mastering/mixes/edits/mucking around with the sound (some kind of shoddy sounding remastering on the nah und fern box). but in terms of actual tracks, there's only 2 that are missing from the original version (gas 1 and 3)

Gas

1996 - CD
1996 - 3LP - Longer edits (each track close to 20 minutes long rather than ˜12)
2008 - Nah Und Fern - Replaces track 1 and 3 with new tracks (track 3 weirdly being a different version of track 2 and 4 from Konigsforst)

Zauberberg

1997 - CD
1997 - 2LP - Same as CD
2008 - Same tracks as original CD but track 7 is quite a bit longer - 11 minutes instead of 7

Konigsforst

1998 - CD
1998 - LP - Missing track 1 (as it is the also the a-side to the Oktember 12"). Adds two otherwise-unreleased tracks (a1 and d1)
2008 - Nah Und Fern - Same tracks as original CD

Pop

2000 - CD
2000 - LP - Slightly longer edits of CD tracks
2008 - Nah Und Fern Same Tracks as original CD

THANK YOU for taking the time to do that. Very helpful

Voigt is weird. Why would you save the longer edits for the LP? It doesn't make sense.

But it also helps to make sense of the decision to leave the first album off of the new box set that apparently, otherwise, gets everything right. Like, of course it doesn't make sense. Otherwise it would make sense and therefore be incompatible with a gas release

tracklisting up at forced exposure - http://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/gas-box-10lp-box-4cd/KOM.370LP.html

it seems that the boxset are all generally (but not always!) longer edits than nah und fern and the original CDs. konigsforst includes the two vinyl-only tracks.

oktember is the original b-side (a-side is already on konigsforst) and tal '90 from pop ambient 2002.

cds are just the same tracks (yep, only 2 on oktember)

schlump, "kongisforst 2016" is just the name of the artbook i think

will be good to nab decent digital copies of oktember and the two vinyl-only konigsforst tracks though. would've been nice to have some of the compilation tracks with oktember and tal '90 - what's the difference between a 10 LP and a 12?. nah und fern, oktav and nach 1912 are all great and even fit in with the post-zauberbeg-sound-only policy (ie. no gas, modern and the four compilation tracks from that period).

xpost: karl malone, it's mainly just the self-titled gas 3lp which has the substantially longer edits. reason being, i guess, is it being a 3lp and too long to fit on one cd.

so that could give some credence to the "as they were meant to be heard" thing. maybe they were all pegged to be 3lps like the first one. tbh a few extra minutes of loop-based 10-minute-plus tracks isn't really going to make a big difference to the listening experience though.

thanks, linee!

longer edits on the LPs is maybe a carry-over from techno (long tracks for singles, not-quite-as-long tracks for albums).. plus spreading across multiple discs (with 1 or 2 tracks per side) sort of invites extending them out. but yeah that doesn't really track with ambient music so much..

xxp he probably just doesn't think it's as good + didn't want to make/find new cover art that would fit with the other three

(wrote that last post b4 linee's last two posts)

Oh I want that new boxset will it be insanely expensive though?

I'm not sure if I really want them in vinyl as I mostly play them to fall asleep on long bus trips or aeroplanes... they're brilliant zoning out albums - in the good way.