Shall we anticpate the AMC series "Breaking Bad"? I think I may.

I'm finding it harder than ever to not see the brother in law as some kind of tv-jazz riff on Vic Mackey. Esp. when he's sending crime scene photos on his personal cellphone while he cracks jokes.

Nice to have something to view on Sunday nights in between "Mad Men" seasons

Excellent show. Caught up on Season 1 last night and will be loving my Tivo.

eps 2&3 hav leakd - luv this show

hey dudes i read somethin abt this in the nyer and it sounded really really bleak. shld i listen to that? or shld i hear that and then move past it

naw its totally fun and hilarious and bleak - a morbid masculine transgressive fantasy more or less

i mean its an absurd show w/occasional real life details just to fuk w/u

like his moustache?

like his moustache

Does anyone have the leaked files for episodes 2 & 3? I'm trying to download a torrent right now, but it is creeping along veeeeery slowly.

Anyway, I just got turned on to this show & I love it. ..a morbid masculine transgressive fantasy more or less is OTM.

Update: If anyone is interested, I found m3g@upload links here.

o damn i didn't think to look for leaks

naw its totally fun and hilarious and bleak - a morbid masculine transgressive fantasy more or less

― ice cr?m, Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:30 PM

^ otm

really well-cast too. the palsy son is great

otm all around guys

EP 2 & 3 SPOILERRRRZ >>>>>>>**************

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luv the emerging plot of the brother in law unknowingly investigating walter

kind of surprised they didn't try to move on getting him to bust Tuco to save their own asses

Update: If anyone is interested, I found m3g@upload links here.

― 2 ears + 1 ❤ (Pillbox), Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:02 PM

thanks!

oh man tio with the little bell!

wow, a lot happens in the space of one episode.

tuco cracks me up when does that "tight-tight-TIGHT"

n e more leaks yet?

naw its prob the typical case where they sent the 1st 3 out to reviewers and well have to just wait for the rest to air - tho there is a torrent on demoniod of the 1st season ripped from dvd that claims to be [UNRATED.UNCUT.NEW.MATERIAL] - might check it out

Tuco's grandfather is now officially my new favorite television character. That bell = pure genius. And in general, I think that the subtle details and quirks of the characters is the best thing about this show, at once kind of Lynchian and realistic-seeming (which would seem impossible, but they pull it off somehow).

Tio means uncle.

Thank you for the clarification.

Haha, I know right? What a game-changing revelation that must have been for you!

you can see the pitch:

"it's american beauty meets grand theft auto!"

but somehow despite this it is pretty good! and certainly unusual for a tv show

from ep 1 -

"why are you doing this?"

"well - why do you do it?"

"money.. mainly"

"there you go"

"wait wait hold up. this isn't normal. it's weird! if you're crazy, or depressed or something.. i need to know! that affects me!!"

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this last sentence from "the cap'n" has got me hooked - he's a real character suddenly instead of a stereotype - this show is going to rule

im at the last ep of the first series and am very impressed by this show.

2nd season just gets better and better IMO. This is def my current favorite show.

"i thought we were going to coldstone creamery"

COIN FLIP IS SACRED

the guy who plays the brother in law has his whole thing down cold

season 2 is next level

tuco's burritos looked gross. it was just chopped steak in a tortilla. no pico, no nothin'.

jesus christ this show!

s1e03 is an amazing, amazing episode

i have even started feeling for the overbearing mom!

this show has nothing to do with "falling down" at all btw

even the dickhead brothher-in-law is kind of Good People underneath it all - am i just a huge softie??

Anybody watch the 'minisodes'? Also, what's a minisode as opposed to a webisode?

don't know what those are?

i don't buy it as a masculine transgressive fantasy, at least not through s1e03. all the aggressive types are either idiots or villains or both. so far it seems a lot about families actually.

^^ MTF is applicable to last season, I believe, but yeah, Dr. Phil OTM, we're on to the next level here.

o big tracer 3 episodes in an hes an expert

anyway just watched the most recent ep and this shit has gone from dark to dire - still v good - not as much fun tho - enjoyed walt all full of himself for successfully lying to his wifes face while making his ex look bad - btw that was a nice touch that he left her - totally assumed it was the other way

i am a huge expert on those three episodes and do hereby challenge all comers to an interpretive duel

I cd go a coldstone creamery right about now

i cd go 4 some crank

Didn't get round to watching this for some time, mostly because the whole "cancer" premise put me off, but after two episodes - it's really good! not sure if i prefer it to mad men, but it's interesting since in the latter the characters are all intrinsically bad heroes whereas in breaking bad they're all good villains.

hmmm compelling thesis

dea brother in law was on last nites lost

each of these seasons is actually a miniseries, isn't it.

it's just not called that.

i can't imagine not starting at the beginning.

surely the primary was occupied?

You know the kind of guy Hank was: he probably already filled the other one up, was moving on for part 2.

he only picked up that book to contaminate it

fine and entertaining in its way, but also totally unnecessary and fairly inert

My reaction exactly. The flashback right at the end confirmed something I was thinking for much of the film (and contrary to a couple of posts earlier in the thread): the women in Breaking Bad were generally excellent, and their absence here was really felt.

(Talking about El Camino, if that's not clear.)

Watched El Camino a second time coming right out of Breaking Bad. Improved a little, not much--at least it made more sense.

One thing I didn't understand: where on the Breaking Bad timeline is that meeting between Jesse and Walt in the diner (where Walt suggests Jesse go to college)?

Robert Forster's fees seem a little exorbitant. I mean, he's basically printing up a few fake IDs, no?

He sets people up with an entire new identity, with a false history and social security number etc, and physically smuggles criminals across state lines & international borders. How much would you charge?

The diner scene is after they get stuck in the desert trying to cook the first giant batch and the battery dies on the RV.

There was the shot of the RV...That makes sense; I thought Walt looked more like he did towards the end, and that threw me a bit.

I would very aggressively underprice my competitors in the new-identity business; $149.00, something like that. And I'd follow Saul's lead with splashy commercials and my picture on billboards and benches all around town. (I mean, I really don't have any anything to base an estimate on, but I would think $10-25,000 would be ample?)

It’s stated when forster’s character is first introduced in the series that the price increases exponentially based on the amount of heat iirc; by the time they’ve killed a cop and are all over national tv the risk is pretty big so it makes sense that he charges the premium rate

I got the sense that his thing was not a one-man operation, he has to get fake SSNs and open up bank accounts and the like

Definitely seems to be a one-man operation. So maybe Jesse and Walt are the extreme cases, and someone just trying to escape debt or a bad marriage or something would get a rate closer to what I suggested.

Robert Forester is so good, in both the series and El Camino. One of the saddest moments in the series is when Walt offers him $10,000 just to hang out for an extra hour (and Forester takes it--he's a stand-up guy, but he never romanticizes the purely mercenary part of his job).

Misread frogbs's post...I don't know; it seemed pretty much one-man to me, although I suppose he'd need some outside help hidden from view.

What was his fee? 200k? I would say if I was new I would start at 50-75k for the package he was doing.

Clemenza, you’ll have time when the rewatch is over - set up a working SSN & see how much that costs you, then move on to establishing a fake identity with a backstory that employers can research which holds up, see how much that costs you, and price out the time you spent on each as a one-man-operation. Add on the losses from closing your vacuum shop down for a week to drive to Alaska and back, with or without people-smuggling involved, but including petrol & motels & meals. It’ll be a fun spreadsheet project!

He didn't really set Walt up with a new identity thought, he just bunged him in a cabin in the middle of nowhere.

(xpost) First I'll have to get the proper training in vacuum-cleaner repair, but if I can look after that, this sounds like a worthwhile project--will report back.

Occurred to me that I would’ve liked breaking bad if it were a 110 minute movie but as a TV show I got sick of it in season 2 somewhere.

Cancer dx, encounter with Jesse, virtuosic cooking sequence, flying high, confrontation with the cartels, third act yadda yadda, Walt gets a bullet to the head and Jesse rides off into the sunset with Krysten Ritter, boom.

Couldn't disagree with that approach more strongly, completely cuts out just how debased and detestable Walt gets.

that's what made me sick of the show early on, dude was like strangling a kid in his basement, wtf

I guess if that's what put you off, then fair play, this def wasn't the show for you.

"chemistry teacher with nothing left to lose and genial dirtbag team up to cook meth in the picturesque southwest" is a good start to something though.

yeah I was coming in late (this was already years ago) and getting into s2 after the first season was basically comedic in tone was like "oh this is just going to constantly escalate, never mind." Same reason I only watched one season of Downton Abbey. anyway I don't watch much TV anymore.

He didn't really set Walt up with a new identity thought, he just bunged him in a cabin in the middle of nowhere.

true but I think Walt was a special case because his picture was all over the news & wasn't gonna live long enough to see the heat die down

that's what made me sick of the show early on, dude was like strangling a kid in his basement, wtf

only because he figured out that the kid was planning to stab him the instant he got free

after the first season was basically comedic in tone

I mean maybe relatively speaking but, yeah, this is the same season where a dude gets strangled with a bike lock and dissolved in a bathtub full of acid, so

...but funny!

He didn't really set Walt up with a new identity thought, he just bunged him in a cabin in the middle of nowhere.

Gene is a square citizen

(bathtub drops through the ceiling)
Jesse: (sheepishly) I done a bad bad thing, boss.
Walt: (mugging to camera) Mama mia, that's a-one spicy meat-a-ball!
(audience laughs, applauds)

Can't imagine Walt's chemo stuff in that cabin was cheap

To be clear I don’t really remember the order of operations there.

Like six seasons or whatever of playing peekaboo with the brother in law, I wouldn’t be able to deal.

hey now it's really only 3.9999 seasons of that

The peekaboo does lead to what is probably the show's greatest moment, though.

I assume it's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKTT-sy0aLg