― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 8 July 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― tylero (tylero), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 7 August 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Sunday, 7 August 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― JD Ryznar, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pangolino 2, Tuesday, 23 August 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link
Would this be the right place to request a Rough Guide to Yacht Rock?
― Baaderonixx on a long black leash (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Mad Puffin (The Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 14:16 (eighteen years ago) link
RFI: I'm making a Yacht Rock mix, of all the good and the bad. Ferrinstance, "What a Fool Believes" is a great song. "Sweet Freedom" is bloody awful. I digress.
What is the song near the beginning of the first episode, the next song you hear after "Sweet Freedom," that starts playing just as the scene wipes in, with the tinkly guitar? It was a huge hit, I know. But what is it? It's like some kinda proto-lite-rock-song. I need it for my mix.
Also, I need some other gaps filled in. The list I have is too sparse. I have:
Kenny Loggins - This Is ItSteely Dan - PegDoobie Brothers - What a Fool BelievesHall and Oates - Sara SmileChristopher Cross - SailingLoggins and Messina - Whenever I Call You FriendSteely Dan - Time Out of MindDoobie Brothers - How Do the Fools Survive?Michael McDonald - Sweet FreedomKenny Loggins - I'm Alright
And some non-canonical stuff, like Spyro Gyra. Man, if that's not yacht, I don't know what is.
Anyway. Help would be appreciated. Thkx.
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:27 (eighteen years ago) link
Yes it would!
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Franke & the Knockouts, "Sweetheart"Pablo Cruise, "Place in the Sun"Little River Band, "Reminiscing"
p.s. "Whenever I Call You Friend" was Loggins & Nicks, not Messina. :)
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:46 (eighteen years ago) link
Little River Band is perfect.
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Because:Lady Love - Jon LucienHelp Me - Joni MitchellHonolulu City Lights - The Beamer Brothers
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Monday, 19 September 2005 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link
It took a couple of viewings, but I think it's up there with the back-alley songwriting dual.
― first-time caller, long-time listener, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link
Between the hair and spectacles, Toto ruled.
― dude of plenty, Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― JD Ryznar (JD Ryznar), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Christopher Costello (CGC), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 04:52 (eighteen years ago) link
Stay smooth!
― late adopter, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 06:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Bless you J. D. Ryznar. I saw these films for the first time today. I have loved this intricate, ever so smooth, late 70's Fagen/McDonald inflected cheeseball music for such a long time, but never knew what to call it. Yacht Rock it is. I eagerly await the 5th installment, and the sure to be heavy dose of 80's Michael McDonald that it will contain (Sweet Freedom, I Keep Forgettin', Yah Mo Be There).
Since it seems you check on this thread from time to time:
The movies are brilliant, I particularly enjoy the use of Breezin' by George Benson in the first episode, Jeff Baxter's slow nod of understanding, Jeff Porcaro's three step plan to seduce Michael McDonald and the rage, passion and wild unkempt mane of John Oates.
I second the call for Seals and Croft (and Player, the Little River Band and "Games People Play" by the Spinners). If I was on the correct coast I would beesech you to let me play Jim Seals or...guy from Player...in an upcoming installment.
Air Supply needs to be in there somewhere don't they? Were they not the kings of Yacht Rock?
Cetera's savage beating at the hands of Oates notwithstanding, 80's Chicago should be featured prominently as well.
This music is brilliant, and your films are obviously a labor of love. Keep it up.
― Ash (ashbyman), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 20:47 (eighteen years ago) link
Here's my digital signature saying "this is a free idea to be used by the makers of yacht rock at their own will, although no offense taken if used, rejected, abused, or otherwise. :) "
― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:27 (eighteen years ago) link
More Pablo Cruise, please!
― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― katrina vanden roffle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Christopher Costello (CGC), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 19 November 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Saturday, 19 November 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― mimi in st. louis (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 19 November 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 19 November 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Saturday, 19 November 2005 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 19 November 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Petroski (petroski), Sunday, 20 November 2005 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Once you actually read the lyrics to What a Fool Believes, you can understand its shittiness in totally new ways.
― footlog, Sunday, 20 November 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 07:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Sunday, 27 November 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― 57 7th (calstars), Sunday, 27 November 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Heard it from a friend whoFinally liked hair metal
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 August 2020 12:41 (three years ago) link
yacht rock shouldn't have gatekeepers, it should have harbour masters instead
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link
Calling some band he's probably never listed
lol they did a concert together! You're super wrong on this thread.
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 7 August 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
I had a friend bragging that she finally liked hair metal and then announced the band she liked was REO Speedwagon
o_o
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal)
well, looking at REO Speedwagon as a producer's band, wondering what the board's take on Fortune's S/T from '85, produced by Kevin Beamish, is. I feel like that album is more hard-edged than the REO Speedwagon stuff I've heard. Honestly one of the chief things that differentiates "hair metal" from other forms of metal to me is its concern for the sort of production values espoused by "yacht rock" or "AOR", values which have, I would argue, essential continuity with later forms of chart music, and which certainly are diametrically opposed to the production values espoused by TRVE CVLT metal. It's probably a cliche by now to point out that Max Martin got his start in hair metal...
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
some guy on rym has actually made a yacht metal list:
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/PhantomOTO/yacht_metal/
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link
incidentally i note that fortune did put out a reunion album last year - beamish appears to now be retired and isn't involved, but i'm surprised at how much i am enjoying it, even if the production lacks the full crispness and sheen Beamish brought to it. still a marked improvement over the boom box demos on their "limited edition prerelease ep" from '17. the idea of shittily recorded (i'm not talking "lo-fi", these are really just abominably shitty recordings) AOR songs is conceptually fascinating but actually listening to them is about as recommended as drinking Kykeon is.
I love the ethos of present-day AOR albums. They're completely unironic and sincere (or at least _pass_ for unironic and sincere) in a way that seems more or less impossible for "yacht rock" these days. This is exemplified by the cover, which is both a call-back to the first album cover - which isn't universally known, but certainly will be familiar to anybody listening to their second album - and an encapsulation of AOR's ethos. Whereas the original album's cover featured a gloved, elegant female hand (possibly _not_ an overt reference to "smell the glove", but I find it impossible to not think of that Spinal Tap record) opening a safe, the second album's cover features the same female hand, this time wearing an even more ridiculously over-the-top bracelet, adjusting the dials on a pre-amp. What a perfect encapsulation of the AOR ethos!
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
I find it amusing we're talking about REO Speedwagon in this thread when a friend showed me this compilation the other day:
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Now-Thats-What-I-Call-Yacht-Rock-2/release/15457853
― MarkoP, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
― Boris the Spreader (NickB)
but is there a yacht prog list? speaking as a lady who far prefers "danger money" to uk's self-titled, i'd love to hear more music with that vibe
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
I was going to say "is there Yacht hip hop" but I remembered Magna Carta Holy Grail came out years ago
― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 August 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
@ Kate - fair point on the production side of things. The original Yacht Rock series (in one of its later and somewhat stretched-thin episodes), went to some lengths to make sure the public understood that Ted Templeman produced basically the entire discographies of both the Doobie Brothers and Roth-era Van Halen.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 7 August 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 7 August 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
george duke sample on that too
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link
wait, what am i saying? it's bob james
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
magna carta doesn't feel yacht to me, other than he's richLarry June had v yacht rap vibeshttps://youtu.be/Wy1D7FhoJes
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 August 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
― Doctor Casino
my favorite ted templeman story is that captain beefheart specifically hired him in the hopes that he could do something like "observatory crest" and what came out instead was "big eyed beans from venus". oh my oh my.
"observatory crest" is quality yacht rock mind
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 7 August 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link
the first “yacht rock” thing I saw made fun of hall & Oates “portable radio”, it was extremely not funny
― brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
my partner saw REO perform in between Tesla and Def Leppard at some winery a few years ago. sounded like a pretty sad scene (def leppard excepted)
― brimstead, Friday, 7 August 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
― calstars, Friday, 7 August 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
I'm playing drums for a friend's mom's surprise 60th birthday party this summer, and this is the set list:
Freedom at Midnight - David Benoit6-String Poet - David BenoitThe Way It Is - Bruce HornsbyPeg - Steely DanDo I Do - Stevie WonderWhat a fool believes - Doobie BrosVirtual Insanity - JamiroquaiGot To Get You Into My Life - Earth Wind and FireBack Pocket - VulfpeckHigher Love - Steve WinwoodDon’t Stop Til You Get Enough - MJKing of Wishful Thinking - Go West
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
the Slate “Hit Parade” podcast episode about Yacht Rock is out from behind the paywall - Ned posted about it way upthreadIt’s pretty great. Gives a good breakdown of Ryznar & gang’s criteria as well as some chart history of some of the big names — a good refresher if you listened to the showit made me go back & listen to old eps real talk though- i avoided the podcast for a long time because it pissed me off that coworkers would say “oh my favorite genre is yacht rock” and talk about seals & croft and i’d get all angry-kermit-the-frog like “aaagh seals & croft isnt even yacht rock! also its not a real genre its made up by writers! you just dont want to say you like adult contemporary!” but im ok now lol
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
i now appreciate how music-nerdy it is, and that it’s designed to alienate casual music fans in a way that morbidly delights me
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 02:25 (two years ago) link
Hate to break it you veg but Seals and Crofts are on the boat
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:03 (two years ago) link
Bread has to be considered 'proto-yacht rock' as much as the Stooges are 'proto-punk' as "Baby I'm a Want You" definitely has the smoothe.
Just the title alone has given me chuckles since I was a teenager.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
xpost doh
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:15 (two years ago) link
i’m very into the steve lukather/toto of it all, tbh
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:32 (two years ago) link
does 'yacht rock' alienate casual music listeners? the adult contemporary station in my city does a yacht rock specialty program every saturday night (w/ that specific branding) and given that it's not a very adventurous station otherwise i have to assume it's far from the only one
― dyl, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link
Yacht rock is meant to alienate people that do not own a yacht.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:00 (two years ago) link
i didnt mean the broad genre as it exists out in the world -i meant the ryznar group & the podcast & the detailed criteria of why things are or are not yacht rock
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:07 (two years ago) link
ah yeah fair enough, i find all that pretty alienating myself
― dyl, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:30 (two years ago) link
:D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 04:45 (two years ago) link
as long as it alienates parrotheads, thats the most important thing
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link
Do I Do - Stevie WonderVirtual Insanity - JamiroquaiDon’t Stop Til You Get Enough - MJ
If even these are yacht rock, I've been yacht rocking since before yachts rocked.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link
the problem with the expansive "Yacht rock" playlists and Sirius channels is that they want to include mostly big hits, and many of the most yachty songs were minor hits, non-hits, or deep cuts.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 31 August 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
I mean I guess they technically made it onto the boat with a couple later songs, but "Summer Breeze" is decidedly marina rock, nyacht yacht!
I really dug the podcast eps where they would define other new genres, like divorcecore and what have you. Was kind of bummed when that concept eventually fell by the wayside.
― Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
Yeah, The divorcecore one is especially great, I’ve revisited that one several times.
― calstars, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
the best yacht rock is basically just white dudes doing r&b y/n
― brimstead, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:46 (two years ago) link
already regret that post lolI just remember when allMusic had some “soft rock” feature and Andy kellman’s list was just cool smooth 70s soul records
― brimstead, Tuesday, 31 August 2021 17:48 (two years ago) link
xpost calstars thats a great onepvmic but my fave is the bald metal episode, i freakin love almost every song in that top 10
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 02:23 (two years ago) link
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6kVRZHsbV6LZEBiqzSzFvq?si=Y0GJdSBsRJW-uxRtzTtQCQ&dl_branch=1The only reason to pay for Spotify
― calstars, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
Yeah the Random Genres I Made Up episodes were incredible podcasts and the most ILM-y podcast I've come across to date. Shame they had to stop under the circumstances they did. Apparently they have some new stuff paywalled but DJ sets isn't really what I want from them.
― I have no couch and I must stream (NotEnough), Tuesday, 7 September 2021 12:27 (two years ago) link
Michael McDonald performing on 'Soul Train' in 1982 pic.twitter.com/tPm6qOvwIq— Barney Hurley (@barneyhurley1) September 10, 2021
― calstars, Friday, 10 September 2021 23:19 (two years ago) link
Where do you go to buy jackets like that in 1982?
― calstars, Friday, 10 September 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link
literally everywhere iirc
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
^^Reagan's Finest Executive Order
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:51 (two years ago) link
i've read where ppl say eagles are not yacht. the long run singles sorta fell like yacht in that they all have that miserablist sense of what was lost being gone forever, so they're kinda kinfolk in spirit but lack the essential denialism of escape through hedonistic pursuits. yacht seems peppy and up and slick but what's the impetus? pushing away realty, what a fool believe. yacht is the mellow-presenting counterpart of disco, which goes hard and don't mince words: last dance, last chance, because the end of history. eagles are just full of gripes, and i can't tell you why.
anyway.
if my thesis is that soft rock is warm, open, even in its most melancholic aspects, yacht is closed off, escapist, avoiding the topic re: love and america and the future, and yada yada, hotel california and maybe rumours are critical to the genre because they function as the line of demarcation between soft and yacht in pop, even if they're not included in the yacht canon proper. they're the open declaration of bad vibes being the status quo that yacht is running away from. eagles say you can never leave, that's not yacht but yacht tries anyhoo. the chain is broken but we can still share the night together, for whatever that's worth.
nb i'm off a tangent that extends beyond the original parameters of the toto/ loggins/ cross/ michael mcd axis of what yacht is to include about all of late 70s early 80s soft rock that has that oh yeah, all rught self-serving tip that someone else posited that seems so sum up that whole ... thing (guffman reference).
― slugbuggy, Saturday, 23 September 2023 11:22 (six months ago) link
https://www.yachtornyacht.com/
A useful reference
― Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Saturday, 23 September 2023 12:31 (six months ago) link