The other thing - hinted at by Chris on another thread - is that the art establishment is a bore and the gallery system is a bore, musch in the same way that the music industry is a bore and record labels are a bore.
So humph! I was right the first time! Even though you may have told me how to get to the Tate.
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tim, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Last year Lee wrote a thing name'n'shaming the 7 people who run the art world, which no-one would've read, except it ended up as the central piece in the Guardian's Editor supplement one week.
― chris, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Were there any Saatchis on the list? ;-)
Oooh I got a question...
― Kris, Wednesday, 11 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Is this art? I try to be open minded when it comes to contemporary art but this is a load of cobblers surely!
http://www.ppowgallery.com/selected_work.php?artist=8&image=1
― sam500, Friday, 23 October 2009 09:00 (fourteen years ago) link
general opinions yeah? I realise that this is just an open invitation for a challopfest but...
1. Agnes Martin is the best painter of the last fifty years. Raoul De Keyser is the best living one.
2. You can't see the thing that makes it art.
3. Eva Hesse was funny and Warhol was sad, not the other way around. Also, Joan Mitchell was the best abstract expressionist painter or maybe Barnett Newman.
4. All art is not about the fucking market.
5. The consumerist transaction between dealer, gallerist etc is way overprivileged
6. The Catholic legacy is the elephant in the room wrt western art.
7. Felix Gonzalez Torres makes me cry, so does Blinky Palermo.
8. Louise Bourgeoise is a spiritual parasite and we should all forget she ever existed.
9. Painting will never die.
10. Greenberg had a point.
― plax (I know, right?), Friday, 23 October 2009 11:21 (fourteen years ago) link
haha yeah that's some pretty shite art
― Great Scott! It's Molecular Man. (Ste), Friday, 23 October 2009 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
It owes alot to Erwin Wurm.
http://images.google.com/images?q=erwin+wurm+one+minute+sculpture&rls=com.microsoft:*&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=dOjhSs-HJIaOtAOgieGrAw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQsAQwAA
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 23 October 2009 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link
lol, when i was in first year of college 1 minute sculptures was a one week module (uh, it was unfortunate how much of the degree show looked a bit one minute too tho...)
― plax (I know, right?), Friday, 23 October 2009 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
uhhh my kid could do that
― richard belzer (jeff), Friday, 23 October 2009 18:21 (fourteen years ago) link
it was unfortunate how much of the degree show looked a bit one minute too
lol - welcome back, dude!
― sarahel, Friday, 23 October 2009 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link
:-)
― plax (I know, right?), Friday, 23 October 2009 18:31 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh hey, yr the entity I usually end up running into on art threads... art you still in school?
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 23 October 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, spent the last three months having ideas for paintings, need to get them down so i can see they're bad.
― plax (I know, right?), Saturday, 24 October 2009 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link
wish i ran into u on more of these threads man!
― plax (I know, right?), Saturday, 24 October 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/hyperrealistic-acrylic-body
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 4 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX54DIpacNE
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 15 October 2013 22:33 (ten years ago) link
http://www.mnuchingallery.com/exhibitions/david-hammons_1/desc
i learned today that mnuchin gallery presented an exhibition of david hammons. (unauthorized, needs to be said--not hammons' fault).
why is steve mnuchin's father selling (and displaying!) work by an artist whose work mounts a radical challenge to capitalism and white supremacy? not just that, one of the most revered artists to take up this theme in the past five decades.
it's so bleak. like, the mnuchins just see this as a luxury commodity, posing no threat to them at all. they're not even uncomfortable hanging it on their walls.
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:51 (four years ago) link
i don't know why i found this sickening, but i did. i recognize that art institutions have always been backed by nefarious big money interests. but like, it's just odd when they co-opt activist art in a way that is this blatant.
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:53 (four years ago) link
ok, so this led me to google david hammons and i found this video where a curator describes hammons' 'traveling' series, which were made by bouncing a basketball on a canvas so the canvas became imprinted with dirt from the street.
the curator explains "traveling is the foul in basketball where the player carries the ball too far" and thus the title "gives the game away."
i actually like hammons' work but my god. galleries are obnoxious.
https://whitecube.com/channel/channel/david_hammons_masons_yard_2014
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:23 (four years ago) link
The way galleries/museums present art is an entirely different enterprise than the making of art. It's like how Rolling Stone or Pitchfork presents music vs what music IS.
I need to remind myself how to post pics and put some of my stuff in this thread. I make art. I work at a big museum (not, like, the Getty, but big). Got a couple of art degrees. I have art thoughts.
Treeship, if someone can make money off of art, they will. It is a wack economy.
I haven't read through this thread, but if anyone wants to watch a great movie that will make you want to burn the art world, check out "Who The #$&% is Jackson Pollock?" A civilian (non-art person) with a lot of character finds a Jackson Pollock at a yard sale or something like that. She's about to paint over it (she just wanted it for the canvas) and a friend tells her to find out who it is first. I might be getting some of the details wrong because I saw it years ago, but her travels through the art world are frustrating and illuminating.
"My Kid Could Paint That" is also pretty good.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:28 (four years ago) link
i work in the art world and have gotten very frustrated with it. i think a little bit of business and marketing -- maybe some criticism that is overly abstract, or whatever -- is to be expected and can be tolerable.
however, there is something evil about a mnuchin profiting off the work of someone like david hammons, complete with captions on the wall that indicate the mnuchins are concerned with giving voice to the black experience in america. steve mnuchin made like hundreds of millions of dollars on foreclosures and i don't see his father speaking out against it.
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:40 (four years ago) link
What do you do?
I'm a preparator (art handler) for a big museum in a big city in a big state (USA). I like the work, I like my colleagues. It doesn't pay enough, but as an artist it provides a steady flow of people and ideas and art for inspiration/pondering. I've put my gloved mitts on Picassos, Van Goghs, Ron Muecks, James Turrells, etc.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:05 (four years ago) link
that sounds pretty cool, cow_art. i do communications for a small art company. i can't give away too many details without revealing what it is. but i read gallery press releases all day long and it's amazing how rote so much of it is. often, the language feels very detached from the work.
― treeship., Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:10 (four years ago) link
Oh man, that would be the worst. You have my deepest sympathy.
ART TALK is the worst. Writing an Artist Statement is my least favorite thing to do as an artist.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:40 (four years ago) link
I consider myself an artist, inasmuch as I have spent many years in the study & practice of making artworks. I'm also in the art handling business in a contemporary art museum, which I've done for over a decade. At this point I believe my perspective is utterly warped. after overcoming many of the traumas that grad school put me through, it is peculiar to feel so shook in relation to something I've held so central to both my identity and my sense of how to process thoughts, feelings etc. I'm so burnt on art and artists. The only work I care about or am interested in at all is work being made by people I know personally. I don't know if this feeling will change, but that's life rn.
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:26 (four years ago) link
and yes, International Artspeak is pretty tedious drivel and rarely worth unpacking. It's about The Body, you say?
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 21 November 2019 06:27 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyoArCL7byE
― treeship., Wednesday, 4 December 2019 02:18 (four years ago) link
http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/strang10.jpg
JUst discovered this guy cos he's one of the 3 artists illustrating the copy of A True History by Lucian that I just got. At first I wasa bit disappointed cos I thought it was all by Aubvrey Beardsley but now think wow new guy with interesting qualities.http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2014/06/06/william-strangs-baron-munchausen/is more of his illustrations for Baron MUnchausen
http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/strang_william.htmlis more of his other stuff elsewhere online
― Stevolende, Friday, 29 January 2021 09:35 (three years ago) link
Someone is going to send (representations of) my buddy’s paintings to the moon:https://www.lunarcodex.com/gallery-a
― DJI, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 02:58 (three years ago) link
Really nice work!
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 03:00 (three years ago) link
Abolish art:
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/05/30/man-dressed-as-old-lady-in-wheelchair-smears-cake-on-mona-lisa-in-suspected-climate-protest?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:33 (one year ago) link
abolish cake also
― mark s, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:36 (one year ago) link
keep caek
― mark s, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:37 (one year ago) link
the smear is far more visually interesting than the actual painting tbf.
― calzino, Monday, 30 May 2022 12:46 (one year ago) link
the painting is fine but there is no point ever going to see it, the crowd in front of it is insane. plenty of other rooms in the louvre with good art and zero people in!
hueg hi res version preferable to peering over the heads of 200 rubes all holding up their phones: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Mona_Lisa%2C_by_Leonardo_da_Vinci%2C_from_C2RMF_retouched.jpg
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:02 (one year ago) link
Or, just stroll over the nearest bridge to the Musee D'Orsay which is 1000x better than the Louvre.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 30 May 2022 13:08 (one year ago) link
having fun reading about the tumblr campaign to restore the mona lisa!!!! and comparing this restored copy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Lisa_(Prado) - the original's extreme yellow tint adds to the mystery imo.
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Monday, 30 May 2022 13:17 (one year ago) link
stick the googly eyes back on
― mark s, Monday, 30 May 2022 13:26 (one year ago) link
"The cleaning lady at a museum in the German city of Dortmund thought she was just doing her job when she… ruined… the installation When it Starts Dripping From the Ceiling by the late Martin Kippenberger in 1987…. In 1986 a 400,000-euro grease stain by Josef Beuys was simply mopped up in Duesseldorf. In 1973 two women cleaned up a baby bathtub Beuys had wrapped in gauze and bandages so they could use the container to wash dishes after an event."
― mark s, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 11:30 (one year ago) link
The best art!
"The artwork, named 'Where shall we go dancing tonight?', was thrown away by a cleaner who mistook it for a mess from the previous night. It consisted of cigarette butts, empty champagne bottles and confetti."
"A bag of rubbish that was part of a Tate Britain work of art has been accidentally thrown away by a cleaner."
"A cleaner thought the piles of full ashtrays, half-filled coffee cups, empty beer bottles and newspapers strewn across the gallery were the remnants of a party in the west London gallery. Although that is what it was..." SAY NO MORE
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 11:36 (one year ago) link
"A cleaner at an Italian art gallery has thrown away contemporary artworks valued at $15,000, after mistaking them for a pile of rubbish. The unnamed cleaner swept up the paper, cardboard and pieces of broken biscuit"
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 11:50 (one year ago) link
divert the canals thru the museums
― mark s, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 12:01 (one year ago) link
i'm also inordinately fond of this story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-58529069
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 12:06 (one year ago) link
police are rounding up all known drunken tuba-players
― mark s, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 12:31 (one year ago) link
Art as hazardous waste: Lee Bull’s Majestic Splendour: In 1997, during the Projects showing at the Museum of Modern Art in New York, the exhibit had to be removed because the smell got so powerful that guards at the museum were becoming physically ill. After this Lee began using potassium permanganate, which is combustible, to help neutralize the smell.n 2018 Majestic Splendor was intended to be on display at the Hayword Gallery in London …While it was being removed from the premises the potassium permanganate activated and started a small fire, delaying the opening of the exhibition.
― Luna Schlosser, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 12:44 (one year ago) link
Acord was the only private individual in the world licensed to own and handle radioactive materials, and acquired nuclear fuel rods containing depleted uranium from the completed but not operated German SNR-300 breeder reactor to use as artistic materials. He had his nuclear license number tattooed onto his neck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Acord
― buffalo tomozzarella (ledge), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 13:07 (one year ago) link