A new list to rip to shreds: Maxim's 30 Worst Albums of all Time.

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yay chuck and sterling win the playground prize!

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

see also "you cheeky monkeys!"

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:23 (twenty years ago) link

I own the Ace of Base record. But really, Chuck, are you seriously defending Jesse Camp?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

I think Chuck has earned the right to say he has decent taste.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:24 (twenty years ago) link

i used to think chuck had good taste b/c he put "sansho dayu" as one of his favorite movies, but that turned out to be frank kogan.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

nb: i can tell them apart now.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

18. Huey Lewis & the News - Fore ... "How's that oat bran working for ya"

have they never read american psycho?

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

With all the crap hitting the airwaves nowadays, how do they dare put Pearl Jam's Vitology as one of the worst albums of all time. My friends Maxim should be killed in the name of all that is righteous.

― Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

1. Soundtrack of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

If I'm not mistaken, this album has both Aerosmith's take on "Come Together" and Alice Cooper's rendition of "Because," both of which should redeem the album from such a list.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:36 (twenty years ago) link

REM MOSTER? What the fuck. Why? I mean its not a masterpiece, but. This people must be destroyed!

― Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:38 (twenty years ago) link

For fucks sake ams. this is so typical ilm. yay we'll tear the list to shreds because it disses on hippie noise and a comp with some indie bands! but we'll agree that 99% of the other stuff are crap but h8 on it anyway because its MAXIM and we're all ABOVE THAT.

grrrrr.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

?!!

is this the american maxim ?
either way somebody tell the twunts that diaz with her
fingernail in her mouth isn't sexi *at all*.

that pic of her twatted coming out of a niteclub
that was sexier.

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway the fact that there isn't anything from limp bizkuit, kid rock,
backstreet boys, insync, britney spears, aguilera, makes this list a complete shit.

― Cacaman Flores, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

there is not one record on this list i would listen to - therefore they are not wrong... these sorts of lists are pretty dumb though

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Anyway the fact that there isn't anything from limp bizkuit, kid rock, backstreet boys, insync, britney spears, aguilera, makes this list a complete shit.

I'm guessing that's because, like Tom said above, this list is all about flattering the magazine's readership.....who invariably own albums by all the "artists" you just mentioned. It's meaningless.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

sterling my comments had nothing to do with the list so i've no idea what particular point you think you just made.

im just wary of chuck's self-congratulatory let's-hyberbolically-enthuse-over-what-we-imagine-others-think-is-utterly-disposable shtick, is all. it's like he's adopted a certain rhetoric for the sake of argument (and i wouldn't argue its usefulness in a certain context) and after he's won the argument he just. won't. stop.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

but we've been here before, i don't think this argument will be resolved. our noses are no doubt both turned up in opposite directions.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Same ignorant analysis you always make, Amateurist. Not even worth wasting time answering it this time, since you've never listened before and won't start now. Except: I singled out albums I LIKE, dammit. There's no shtick to it, and never was. So fuck you.

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

So if they knew who the Shaggs were - would they be on this list or not on this list?

Same question for Metal Machine Music, The Flowers of Romance, ..

..and Jim Capaldi's "Daughter of the Night" , Elizabeth Barraclough's "Hi", Trickster's "Find the Lady", ..etc...

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

I think Tico Tico's earned the right to make references.

― Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:19 (twenty years ago) link

Richard and Karen’s flowery up-with-people optimism

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:29 (twenty years ago) link

chuck you never have answered it, which is fine, because i've never phrased it in a diplomatic way. i don't doubt that you like those albums--i like some of them too--but that's not my point. my point is that your opinions seem to be dominated by puckishness and insouciance to the point of tedium. i'll take your insults gladly.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure the reason most of the above-named boy/girl bands aren't on it is (a) they need the latter for covers and (b) the list is three years old.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:49 (twenty years ago) link

For what it's worth, "Everybody Hurts" is on Automatic For the People.

I liked Monster. It is what it is. I traded an old roommated Siamese Dream for it and have never looked back since.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 16:52 (twenty years ago) link

Amateurist, I've answered your stupid accusations four or five times on this board alone. At least once, you were so embarrassed by your own initial whining that you emailed me and apologized, and asked that your comments be eliminated from the board. You seem to know very little about what my opinions ARE, and you seem to have no reading comprehension whatsovever about what I've written. I've explained in specific detail what I like about almost every one of the above records in my writing; there's not a single one of them I like because other people (who write about music or otherwise) DON'T like them. Most of them were actually big hits, which suggests I'm hardly alone in my opinions about them. A couple of them placed in Pazz and Jop; one of them includes a Pazz & Jop number one single; a couple more include top ten Pazz & Jop singles. So there's nothing even especially contrarian about the list. Do you think my list-threads on the albums I've liked so far this year are dominated by puckish insouciance as well? If so, how?? Have you even *seen* them? How much of my writing HAVE you seen? Instead of arguing with my opinions themselves, why do you feel the pathetic need to argue with some imagined *motive* behind my opinions? You have no idea what you're talking about, and whenever we get into these arguments you end up ADMITTING as much. So which one of us "just won't stop," guy?

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

i was embarrassed because the particular accusation i had levelled didn't wash, and i stand by my apology. but as for insouciance...chuck for god's sake you titled your book The Accidental Evolution of Rock'N'Roll: A Misguided Tour Through Popular Music--the puckishness of "misguided" seems self-evident, as does your overall style of blithely asserting (not illustrating) the greatness of records on which there is little consensus, as if through sheer force of iconoclasm (and not actual investigation) you will sunder some kind of canonical appreciation of pop music. the opinions themselves, as discrete entities, don't bother me so much as the overall approach evidenced by them taken together. and yes i'm probably indulging in a bit of caricature (as others have in describing me, and i've reacted with similar vitriol). you're right to suggest my statements are based on an incomplete appreciation of the range of your writing--i've read some of your voice pages, sundry posts on ilx, and a few snatches of your books.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

: ( born again is a great record

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

i should also confess that i strongly dislike your writing style, and i'm probably making the mistake of impugning some fairly "ok" arguments because of that.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

also amateurist surely you can see the necessity (and fun!!) in being self aware of your difft opinion when you happen to like something most rock crit establishment types lamely shit on, stop whining to sterl about how he only digs pink ironically k??

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

er huh? i like pink and don't recall making any such statement.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

amateurist:chuck eddy :: trife:amateurist

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

>>overall style of blithely asserting (not illustrating) the greatness of records on which there is little consensus, as if through sheer force of iconoclasm (and not actual investigation)<<

In what way does my writing NOT illustrate or investigate the greatness of the records I think are great? (Again, have you ever actually READ my two books? I can't think of very many books that contain MORE illustration and investigation in them; I mean, if anything, THAT's what might make them tedious. And I defy you to find a single review I've written that didn't talk in specifics about what makes music good or bad as well; if anything, THAT's my shtick.) And what about the zillions of times I've asserted greatness of records and artists where there IS a consensus? I mean, have you noticed how many positive mentions Dylan, say, gets in my second book?? More than anybody, if I remember right. Sounds like you're saying I should ONLY like artists where there's a consensus. Which would make me an idiot.

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 17:54 (twenty years ago) link

...and a boring one, at that. And you'd be a big fan, I bet.

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

no chuck youre clearly a smug contrarian for liking poison and ace of base!!! you think youre so 'cool' for disagreeing with maxim, why dont you come down off your ivory tower dude!!!! down into the grey soggy mush of amateuristville >:o

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:07 (twenty years ago) link

really amateurist how is your constant faux-everyman 'i just dont UNDERSTAND!' mode any more of an affectation than playing with rock crit audience preconceptions, youre like the ilm balls out nu garage band, bringing back the rock, dude why do all you pretentious art snobs have to KILL MUSIC with your FAKENESS

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:10 (twenty years ago) link

And how do any of the last three long Voice pieces I've done (White Stripes, Eminem as a dad, Eminem/Kid Rock), or for that matter, the singles column I was writing for a couple years, connect AT ALL to the alleged "approach" you imagine in my writing? Feel free to go to villagevoice.com and search my name if you want; I'm really curious, and the articles are there for you to dissect. But you won't.

>> I can't think of very many books that contain MORE illustration and investigation in them;<<

I meant books about rock music here, by the way; not auto manuals or the Bill James Baseball Abstract or the Bible or whatever.

― chuck, Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

what about those puckish auto manuals that recommend parts for FOREIGN CARS, how insouciant!!

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.sound2cb.com/education/teaching/lmu/lmuono/mario.jpg

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe I ever had a problem with Trife! Now I want him to run for president.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

o that was silly, forgive me. i have to finish work up or i'll get in trouble, but suffice to say that chuck's right, i'm basing my judgement on a narrow sliver of his work and i should admit that. so my jibes stand only for his contributions to a number of ilm threads, similar to my jibes in sterling's direction.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:25 (twenty years ago) link

what is that, an electrical vagina?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

for trife:

puckish, a.: Of the nature of or characteristic of Puck; impish, mischievous, capricious. Hence puckishly adv.; puckishness.

insouciance, n.: Carelessness, indifference, unconcern.

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

jess if you are ever administered a rorscach test my advice is to lie!

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

amateurist did you make some sort of vow to carry on the indie guilt c/d thread? dont forget to end your wigga tags when you endlessly accuse ilm of pretending to like stuff

― trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

Jess, you are my favorite person on the entire planet right now.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

it's like the eye of sauron

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

trife you have an uncanny ability to hone in on all of ilm's bugaboos!

― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

Can I just mention here that Amateurist's complaint w/r/t Chuck Eddy = my complaint with regard to Chuck Klosterman? (Which I think does turn out to be a different complaint than the one Chuck and Trife are mounting defenses against.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:34 (twenty years ago) link

ilm = a bunch of rutting hobbits

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

That makes it sound better than it really is.

― Nicole (Nicole), Tuesday, 8 July 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

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Wow, what a dumb list. I mean it's Maxim, but still.

― Dez Tekken (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 August 2019 15:13 (four years ago) link

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