omnibus PRISM/NSA/free Edward Snowden/encryption tutorial thread

This is disturbing.

is it just me or does this make it worse?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/29/us/politics/snowden-says-he-was-a-spy-not-just-an-analyst.html

like it's not that he was an employee who saw things that upset him and he blew a whistle. acc to his account he was actually a part of the US security/espionage infrastructure and betrayed that confidence.

"make it worse"

"a part of the US security/espionage infrastructure and betrayed that confidence"

Make what worse? You still think his actions were worse than the NSA's? One can be a whistleblower against unconstitutional behavior in any government job

no, not worse than the NSA's. worse in that it makes my opinion of him lower.

The House even voted last week to curb some of the NSA's domestic bulk-data collection spying program.

Like with Greenwald one does not have like a person, to recognize that they have done some good things

he was actually a part of the US security/espionage infrastructure and betrayed that confidence.

― Mordy, Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's always said he put the constitution above the loyalty oath.

"he was actually a part of the US security/espionage infrastructure and betrayed that confidence."

you mean like the way the US security apparatus has betrayed the confidence of its own citizens?

dnftt

Brian Williams interview about to start.

betraying the criminal American state is about the most awesome thing anyone can do.

it's always really hard to hear politicians speak out against snowden. it's like, obviously i don't give a fuck what you think about the guy who made your job / lying to me more difficult.

boy he is rticulate

articulate teoo

gah is this gonna be rebroadcast

xpost

yeah he's also had a LOT of time to think things over

like how guys in prison for a long time often have an uncanny ability to explain their own thought processes, b/c they have a lot of practice

Manson

this after-the-interview stuff on NBC's website is pretty bad.

i find it so weird that there are people who basically think "i mean it's fine if he wants to commit civil disobedience, but does he have to break the law to do it?"

and chuck todd still looks like he takes a shit and wipes it on his face

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101712444

In the wide-ranging and provocative interview, Snowden suggested that a deal could be reached with the U.S. government for him to come home, said he had tried to go through channels before leaking documents to journalists, and described his transition from enthusiastic supporter of American foreign policy, who enlisted for U.S. Army special operations training during the Iraq War, to a disillusioned intelligence worker who said he came to believe that the government took advantage of the September 11 terror attack to overreach into the private lives of all Americans.

When Williams asked, "Do you see yourself as a patriot?" Snowden answered immediately, "I do."

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/in-nbc-interview-snowden-says-nsa-watches-our-digital-thoughts-develop/

Responding to Snowden’s comments on his reasons for staying in Russia (which was aired as an excerpt on NBC TODAY on Wednesday morning), Secretary of State John Kerry fired back: "For a supposedly smart guy, that's a pretty dumb answer, frankly... Edward Snowden is a coward,” Kerry told Chuck Todd on MSNBC. “He is a traitor. And he has betrayed his country… and should face the music.” Kerry continued to challenge Snowden to "man up and come back to the United States."

What's more, Kerry made the case that Snowden’s leaks of classified documents revealing the extent of NSA spying programs has given valuable information to terrorists and has thrown a wrench in US counter-terrorism efforts. “If this man is a patriot, he should stay in the United States and make his case,” Kerry said. “Patriots don't go to Russia, they don't seek asylum in Cuba, they don't seek asylum in Venezuela, they fight their cause here.”

John Kerry, Frenchman, parasailor, and flipflopper.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/05/29/traitor-or-patriot-what-a-silly-question-after-inside-snowden/?hpid=z3

hey guys, turns out the Dems ran Dick Cheney for prez the last THREE times. xp

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/05/29/traitor-or-patriot-what-a-silly-question-after-inside-snowden/?hpid=z3

eh, that's obvious just a hook for viewers, but the interview itself is not terrible.

no, not bad at all considering the interlocutor

hey guys, turns out the Dems ran Dick Cheney for prez the last THREE times. xp

― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, May 29, 2014 4:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg, really? keep up with these revelatory nuggets, because there's no one else on this board as fearless in speaking truth to power. i raise a gloved fist in salute.

every time i read an ap-style article about a snowden update it contains a single-sentence paragraph along the lines of "Some think Snowden is a patriot, while others consider him a traitor."

yeah

it's weird, i cannot even fathom anyone outside of gov't thinking he's a traitor pure and simple, but then again i don't get out much

on MSNBC this morning Carson Daly (did you know he works for "The Today Show"? I didn't) crowed that opinions had flipped after last night's broadcast: now 61 percent or something Americans who watched think Snowden is a "hero."

a traitorous hero tho

hero... or zero?

are there any conspiracy theorists who think that snowden is a false-flag dude put up to it by the bushobama admin to obscure the even more terrifying truth about the world security state?

61 percent or something Americans aren't sure which of those two guys was brian williams so

yep:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/naomi-wolf-edward-snowden-false-flag-conspiracy.html

that reminds me, in the interview he didn't say he misses his girlfriend. he kind of fucked her over IMO, although we have no idea what their relationship was about of course.

Why is NBC’s framing of this issue coming down to the blindingly simple question of “traitor” or “patriot”? (“Do you view former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a #Patriot or a #Traitor? Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying,” the website urges.)

Washington Post writer expected more complexity from NBC's marketing folks. Although Chuck Todd might have framed it that way also

Cara_C Jun 14, 2013

It's possible. The Obama administration seems to be trying to provoke civil unrest at every turn with its outrageous unConstitutional behavior and non-stop scandals. But apparently, the sleeping giant isn't biting, probably theorizing that we still have a chance to avert the destruction of America in the next midterms.

Why is NBC’s framing of this issue coming down to the blindingly simple question of “traitor” or “patriot”? (“Do you view former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a #Patriot or a #Traitor? Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying,” the website urges.)

Washington Post writer expected more complexity from NBC's marketing folks. Although Chuck Todd might have framed it that way also

― curmudgeon, Thursday, May 29, 2014 5:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

“Do you like NBC's framing of Brian Williams's interview with former NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a choice between #Patriot or a #Traitor? #Yes or #No. Post your message on Twitter using the appropriate hashtag and check back here to see what others are saying."

americans are also retarded

#sliced bread or #super satan covered in shit

Important to remember it has to be one or the other, no grey areas allowed.

No -- American pundits are retarded.

am, shove it; i tried.

every time i read an ap-style article about a snowden update it contains a single-sentence paragraph along the lines of "Some think Snowden is a patriot, while others consider him a traitor."

that Garry Wills book title about the press attitude toward Reagan applies exponentially now" On Bended Knee

(no one wants to be closed down, yeah? that's coming)

Mark Hertsgaard wrote it, and, yes, it's essential reading and available cheap.

mea culpa

There is so much info to be dug out of the lower reaches of the executive branch, where the work actually happens, that being shut out by the political parts of an administration should not be a major impediment to investigative reporting. You'd have to cultivate sources who work in the bureaucracy below the assistant secretaries.

yeah but you don't get to be interviewed by Joe and "Mika."

I keep being amazed how 99.9% of everything is about the messenger and not the message. Is it really that easy to divert everyone's attention?

There is so much info to be dug out of the lower reaches of the executive branch, where the work actually happens, that being shut out by the political parts of an administration should not be a major impediment to investigative reporting. You'd have to cultivate sources who work in the bureaucracy below the assistant secretaries.

― put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Thursday, May 29, 2014 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

feel like there are fewer and fewer journalists (with less and less time) to do this sort of reporting, and as you say fewer and fewer dollars to support their work. this seems like a top-ten impediment to improving our democracy IMO.

judging by the student newspaper here in 20 years there won't be any

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/governments-collecting-personal-data-without-limit-says-vodafone/2014/06/06/ff0cfc1a-edb4-11e3-9b2d-114aded544be_story.html?hpid=z1

Britain’s Vodafone revealed Friday that several governments are collecting surveillance data directly from its networks without any legal review and publicly urged more safeguards against such unfettered access to the private communications of its customers.

The declarations, made by the world’s second-largest cellular carrier, show that the type of access to telecommunications networks enjoyed by the U.S. National Security Agency also occurs in other countries where legal protections almost certainly are lower. Vodafone’s networks span much of Europe and parts of Africa and Asia.

.The company said that voice, Internet and other data could be collected without any court review in “a small number” of nations