Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!

Mordy, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

fear of black ppl

Ironically, it was exactly this that spurred Reagan to sign gun control measures in California in the late 60s:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/09/the-secret-history-of-guns/308608/?single_page=true

Republicans in California eagerly supported increased gun control. Governor Reagan told reporters that afternoon that he saw “no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called guns a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of good will.” In a later press conference, Reagan said he didn’t “know of any sportsman who leaves his home with a gun to go out into the field to hunt or for target shooting who carries that gun loaded.” The Mulford Act, he said, “would work no hardship on the honest citizen.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link

rugged individualism, fear of black ppl + indigenous population, political mythologies of revolution against tyranny, hunting culture, frontierism... gun fetishism is kinda the most explicable of america's faults!

― Mordy, Tuesday, May 27, 2014 3:48 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's a lot to unpack, actually!

display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link

ban men

homosexual II, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link

xpost

for a foreigner, I mean.

display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link

humankind, especially americans, are the deadliest animals alive

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link

but also... the most dangerous game?

display name changed. (amateurist), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link

i don't advocate confiscating guns. i advocate arming prisoners. after all, we can't take away the right to freedom of speech just because someone's in jail

Loving this.

Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link

the amazing race

i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link

for kincannon that's actually fairly respectful

balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link

man

satanic mess (brownie), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link

south carolina since its founding has been the most reliable source of toxic politics in america

balls, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link

and they still fly the confederate flag at the capital building

building a desert (art), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:19 (nine years ago) link

i blame andrew johnson

display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link

wait why is racism more sinister than misogyny.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:12 (nine years ago) link

racism+misogyny is more sinister than misogyny alone

the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:24 (nine years ago) link

here I was thinking they cancelled each other out.

ryan, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 04:32 (nine years ago) link

that is about the closest to otm thing I have read so far

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link

forgive me if this comes off as provincial or whatever but i think malcolm harris has cool stuff to say sometimes and i'm curious for his inevitable al jazeera column on this, for people in the larger-scale press he usually hits intersectional stuff on the nose ime

purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:10 (nine years ago) link

re: Chris Gethard, apparently he went to my high school, probably just 4 years behind me. Noticed him popping up on friends facebook pages when he started getting known for improv stuff and been seeing him increasingly more and more on tv and whatnot. I think he's gonna get real famous soon, comedy-wise, though this post is getting a lot of attention.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:12 (nine years ago) link

i cannot read any more about this. i'm done.

macklin' rosie (crüt), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 09:55 (nine years ago) link

I don't know who Chris Gerhard is but that is excellent

dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 10:48 (nine years ago) link

Wish he'd stop saying 'stick to your guns' tho

kinder, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 11:43 (nine years ago) link

lol he quotes the chorus of The The's Lonely Planet almost verbatim

English cunt read Guardian (imago), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 11:52 (nine years ago) link

yeah stick to your guns not the greatest choice of words

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link

The Gethard post lost me when he got to "no one was ever out to get me" because, especially for black people, sometimes "they" is a real thing and "they" actually ARE out to get you.

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link

And when he propagated once again the "Columbine killers were lonely, shy kids getting back at their tormentors" myth.

Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link

Black kids, whose feelings of persecution are not mostly in their heads, are also not murdering masses like the white boys he is talking to.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link

Also Phil, I think you are way off.

"Because my fear is that in saying I remember identifying with the Columbine kids, or that Elliot Rodgers said things about his feelings that reflected my feelings at his age, that I’m coming off as sympathetic to them and what they did – that couldn’t be further from the truth." He's talking about identifying with a sense of being treated unfairly despite your superiority, not any of the rest of the mythmaking, and he doesn't let the Columbine dickheads off the hook at all.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link

Eh, maybe I'm misreading him, TWU. But when he precedes "We were the Columbine kids" with

We were the kids who girls never talked to. We were the kids the popular kids looked down on. We got made fun of. We got laughed at. I remember once entering the locker room of my high school’s gym, where a kid a year older than me named Rick walked up to me and backhand slapped me across the face. I looked up at him and he shrugged and said, “What can you do?” sympathetically. As if even he knew what he did reflecteda way of things that wasn’t fair, even though he was also choosing to do it.

it gets my hackles up.

Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link

He follows it with "on many, many levels we were". And then analyzes the similarity and differences in a very sensitive way, I think, with the specific goal of getting young white dudes not to feel like victims owed by an unjust world.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link

I'm with DJP. Also the statement "the world doesn't owe you anything" -- sans context -- is kind of awful. People aren't owed love or affection or sex but they are all should be treated fairly and decently. The author of the article was owed not being backhanded in the face by that high school bully. Women are owed the right to not be harassed or made to feel unsafe. Humans are owed all sorts of things by virtue of being human. Maybe this is nitpicky because what the author was taking aim at was a particular, odious form of male entitlement but in that case he shouldn't make sloppy, general statements.

Treeship, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link

yeah, that guy's statement seems a bit off

Nhex, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

treesh otm

macklin' rosie (crüt), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link

Actually the statement "the world doesn't owe you anything" is 100% correct and should be internalized so that people stop taking the good things in their lives for granted.

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link

debt is kind of a weird/wrong concept to apply to human relations imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link

or maybe not debt, but entitlement

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link

Like, if 25% of the people out there who aren't thinking this way realize "the world doesn't owe me the things in my life that are awesome and I am really fucking lucky", think of the overall empathy increase; the ability to get out of seeing your situation as the default and what is "owed" to any person is instrumental in making people empathic to those who are worse off than them.

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link

I think it's hard to crystallize in words what a healthy attitude towards life/others/ourselves consists of. It's something you kind of have to absorb my osmosis, if you're lucky, by being around good role models. One sad irony is this guy thought all he needed was sex to be happy, whereas what he really needed was a friend.

o. nate, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:12 (nine years ago) link

this kid needed friends or maybe better support years ago, he strikes me as someone who fell through the cracks bc outwardly he appeared to have everything and yet meanwhile he was quiet and solitary and having a running unreliable narration on his own life and perceptions that no one contradicted IRL and people online only reinforced. also I read this weird aside in one piece that mentioned him periodically splashing drinks on couples?

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link

One thing that sticks out about the Gerhard post is that for all his alienated loserdom, he obviously had some good friends. It's "we" this and "we" that - not just "me".

o. nate, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link

this is a point where the pedant and the 13-year-old converge and point out that dude's name is Gethard

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link

iirc, "the world" is somewhat larger than human society.

put 'er right in the old breadbasket (Aimless), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjgyznFc18M

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link

true. a herzog nature doc for every child.

the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link

Actually the statement "the world doesn't owe you anything" is 100% correct and should be internalized so that people stop taking the good things in their lives for granted.

― On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:07 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Very true

famous instagram God (waterface), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link


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