MAD MEN on AMC - Seasons 7(a) & & 7(b)

there's actually something to that

feel like as a teen i might have said something like it

I think Sally kissing the nerd brother was a spur of the moment thing, based on the recognition that it would probably blow his lil' mind. Which is clearly did--loved him responding with a bewildered "what do I do now?"

i think was 'opportunity knocks'; sally was feeling grownup etc so she was just doubling down on a nice moment

yeah i've been there

Thing about Harry is that he's constantly pointed the way to the future for the agency and been consistently undervalued and not taken seriously because, well, he's Harry. Cutler gets that and no one else does. There'd be this quiet desperation to the character if he wasn't such a doormat.

This is still one of my favourite scenes and tells you most of what you need to know about his relationship with the agency:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmnkS0e7uo

Also Cutler doesn't know that Harry tipped Don off about the cigarette pitch, thereby siding with the jocks in the end, even though we all know that the nerds eventually win. Kinda wondering whether the Sally stuff was intentionally mirroring all that.

I'd be very surprised if the Dick Whitman thing didn't reappear in some form. Don now has a very large sum of money - where would he and his family stand if the whole stolen identity thing became widely known?

The last few episodes have felt like a process of intentionally thinning out the cast so they can focus on the people that matter during the endgame.

Wait, who else was thinned out except for Bert, Megan (although I guess she'll return) and Ginsberg?

I loved the jollity of this episode - but it also made me really anxious, knowing it's probably gonna crash down again, for good this time, next season.

Wait, who else was thinned out except for Bert, Megan (although I guess she'll return) and Ginsberg?

the puerto rican boy who spends a lot of time at peggy's apartment

Julio

also Trudy

Also Bob Benson (probably).

The only characters who really need emotionally satisfying ends to their stories are Don, Peggy, Joan, Roger, Betty and Sally. I'd be quite happy for the final seven episodes to focus almost entirely on that lot.

I'd dispute that Betty really needed one but they've gone with the character for this long so they might as well tie her story up properly.

(Stick Pete in there as well, I forgot him).

I don't think Pete really needs an arc as such, just confirmation he will always remain the same lovable cunt.

yeah this season has definitely shown that betty is in it for the long haul

I wonder what pct of the aud had previously heard "The Best Things in Life Are Free"?

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/robert-morse-on-his-big-mad-men-number

very important question!

go die mr que

sure thing gabbneb

And I think that's a little harsh. An audience can appreciate a song without knowing where it came from. But if you want me to die, because I don't think it's an important questions, than die I shall.

one of Luther Vandross and Janet's best songs

I wonder what pct of the aud had previously heard "The Best Things in Life Are Free"?

I wonder what pct of the ppl asking this question have watched the show

smaller than the percentage of times that Morbs has posted on this thread for the purpose of condescending to viewers and posters.

Thanks for backing me up guys

just waiting for him to start posting about napoleon

Anyway I loved the last episode so much

I hope we see Glen next year though

yer watchin a fucking show about fucking advertising. my condescension has been used up.

Will remember that next time you recommend Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?.

that's very different, deadpangloss

sic, I've seen the show twice and worked in ad agencies for 8 miserable years, so i think i'm ahead of most posters on the thread who just love to hate (but really love) these Mad men.

would you say you're streets ahead?

It took me more than 2 episodes to get into this show, more like 6.

sic, I've seen the show twice and worked in ad agencies for 8 miserable years, so i think i'm ahead of most posters on the thread who just love to hate (but really love) these Mad men.

― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius),

eh I've seen a couple of movies about marriage too.

<i>Thing about Harry is that he's constantly pointed the way to the future for the agency and been consistently undervalued and not taken seriously because, well, he's Harry.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:26 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink</i>

Yeah, for as much as he is a chump, Harry does deserve to be a partner, arguably more so than the way chumpier Pete.

Pete brings the business/knows how to butter up clients. Harry doesn't know shit about people or how to handle them (tbf this is also Peggy's problem)

trying to think of accounts Harry brought in - there was that Joe Namath special thing...?

I just kind of assume that Harry is actually good at what he does even if we rarely actually see it. I mean why else would he still be around and considered for partnership.

xp Ooh, did anyone else notice that the older hunky boy visiting the Francis house was wearing an OJ Simpson USC jersey?

yeah i had a little chuckle over that

I guess I don't know if Harry had anything like a traditional account-man job after he single-handedly started the TV department at the agency. Doesn't seem that way.

Advertising firms make as much or more money from the media planning and buying than they do for the actual creative. Harry makes them a lot of money.

In other worlds, they'll charge the client X for the conception and execution of the ad...but they get to charge them again and again every time they get the ad in a newspaper, magazine, tv show etc etc.

yeah yeah I know that. there's always been a bunch of Harry defenders on these threads but he still reads like an unlikeable schmuck to me - he's just a lump. I remember him banging the hippie chick or backstage at the Stones show or getting constantly outmaneuvered by pretty much everyone else and it's just like come on fuck this guy.

lol Pete Campbell

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/1466175_10102366201804445_6456391929930097188_n.jpg

don is cool, roger is cool, even pete (amazingly) has had moments of being cool. harry has never been cool.

Harry did very kindly tip off Don about the Commander meeting, and to repay that favour Don urged him not to (over)negotiate when offered partnership, but NOOOOOO of course Harry would fuck up a negotiation that would've made him money (rather than his employers, which isn't a problem).

Harry did very kindly tip off Don about the Commander meeting

a) he did this by mistake (because he is an idiot), b) he explicitly asked Don to figure some way out of it

dude is a tool

I completely agree - he's very 'gimme' and you do not do that in an office full of preppies.

harry was very likeable first season, the 'good guy' from that gang, and it's been wonderful how they immediately turned him into an unlikeable schmuck w/o really changing his character. you can catch a glimpse of that sentimental nice guy harry when he stands up w/ tears in his eyes over the moon landing but he's never been cool. everything he's gotten has been from right place at the right time, joan was shown to be better at his job than him almost immediately (then again joan has been shown to be better at almost everybody's jobs, the one she went for is accounts cuz money's a big priority for her cuz she grew up poor, hence living in the same place she lived in ten years ago when she was just a secretary). that said, as i think harry actually pointed out (or maybe kinsey when he creeping on peg w/ twilight zone references) half of their business is being middle man between media and clients. there's a reason they brought him on board and he should be a partner but still, a schmuck.