Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/how-the-gun-nuts-try-to-excuse-away-the-santa-barbara-slaughter-and-why-they-re-all-wrong.html

i don't think people know what the word "liberal" means any more

about as therapeutic as shouting into a toilet

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:39 AM (2 hours ago)

posts that justify threads thread

https://twitter.com/bluntswdad/status/471153557454864384

ha

re "the world doesn't owe you anything", I think this gawker comment captures how I read it and how gethard meant it

I was mentioned by name in a suicide note by a boy I'd turned down. While I feel badly for his death, I do not, cannot and WILL NOT take blame for his actions because I refused to date him. I am so sick of this idea that men are owed a date/kiss/blowjob/anything just because they want it. Nobody owes anybody anything. Relationships come from mutual attraction, not from one person owing the other a favor. It's sick that society thinks this is okay, blaming the young woman who "turned him down." So fucking what, what about HER? Why is she not allowed agency over herself and her choices?

Again, human race: NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING.

vote Rand Paul/Paul Ryan 2016 - NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING

yeah, i'm very okay with "the world doesn't owe you anything", especially as applied to myself. it's a good, humble position from which to start. at the same time, i do feel that i owe others things, primarily out of compassion and/or respect. extending that, i also feel a sense of collective obligation, both as a citizen and as a human being, to address certain social problems.

i don't think there's any disconnect between these two ideas, owing without being owed in return.

NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING

bullshit

xpost

try telling that to a bank!

recognizing that nobody owes you anything != claiming you owe nothing to anybody.

it's a qualifier-free mantra designed to ward off acting towards someone as if that person owes you something out of hand, imo. basically just anti-entitlement, and basically true imo. from there it's all about the golden rule imo.

imo

yeah, you're talking about very different "owes" there.

Every time one of these happens... there's nothing to stay. Because nothing in this country is going to change but for the worse. Accept it.

nothing to say

also fuck the 'progressive' Democratic Party for the billionth time

there are entitled people who think their desires override the desires and even rights of others and this is a very bad thing, they should sort that out. then there are other people who have low self-esteem and don't think they deserve anything and accept mistreatment from others. women, minorities, and people who experience systematic oppression often fall into this latter camp but all kinds of people can end up with awful self-esteem issues. it's not cool to tell these people that nobody owes them anything. they should instead be mindful of the fact that they deserve decent treatment for people and are allowed to stand up for themselves if they don't receive it. again, this isn't really the issue -- the "nobody owes you anything" line was being directed at people who think others owe them things they actually do not -- but still, semantically, it bothered me.

yeah, it's too simplistic a statement to suit every situation to which it might apply. you could paraphrase it as, "check yr sense of entitlement." good advice, but only when someone's sense of entitlement seems excessive.

i didn't read the entire gethard thing but . . . the bit about how he and his junior-high friends had a 'hilarious' plan to take over the nurse's office as a base for their attack on their school is fucked up

"there's nothing to say" - guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say

decency is not a form debt. we do not 'owe' one another compassion, and to make empathy a commodity is to buy into the game. the structures we ought to build to support the least among us shouldn't be understood as a form of repayment or they'll always be challenged by people who think they're owed whatever they manage to exploit.

our charge to be decent to one another for the sake of us all and the sake of all of us comes from an ethic that can't be based on a ledger.

but i sort of feel like this discussion belongs in a diff thread? idk.

well-put

though i think i would drop "sake of us all" and "sake of all of us" as totals because the other is always already elusive, i'm pretty radical-subjective levinasian about all of this tbh, generalizing to avoid generalities, with a "useful" bent, love basically.

ty hoos, well put indeed xxxxp

guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say

on a stupid fucking useless messageboard i use to kill my final years

:(

sorry you feel that way. not about the board, about yourself. :(

i have abandonment issues. plus the other stuff.

also i am drugged

xanax and vicodin?

hoos otm

lots of people owe me things though. because i've leant them out. books, some cash when a friend was short at dinner, a power driver, a monitor adapter (that i don't really need anymore, so is it still owed to me if i don't want it back?), i dunno. books mainly, i suppose.

i owe some books to people too also.

anyway we all live in a network of debts and obligations and it binds us close and that's fine. it's called friendship, community, society.

some people don't know what transactions they're entering into though, or why.

hoos, clover otm

still happy to think i owe others compassion, decency, respect, etc. it's a basic, human obligation that requires no ledger or balance, and i'm not super in love with the constant ilx hair-splitting about correct terminology. people who think they owe others nothing will think that no matter what language you choose.

You guys do understand that "the world doesn't owe you anything" is a figure of speech, right?

http://disfuctionalunit.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/boehner_bernstein-620x412.jpg

*queefs*

The unexpected truther

http://radio.com/2014/05/28/80s-punk-star-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/

great thanks for that exene

Sadly that's pretty expected these days

she has a point. we do always see a wave of successful gun control legislation after these things.

sadlol

[nausea]

blecchsene

She is unwell

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

And Michelle Shocked.

she is definitely mentally ill. i feel bad about this whole line of conversation now.

she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."

― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

mike watt might have a problem with that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reactionaries