vote Rand Paul/Paul Ryan 2016 - NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link
yeah, i'm very okay with "the world doesn't owe you anything", especially as applied to myself. it's a good, humble position from which to start. at the same time, i do feel that i owe others things, primarily out of compassion and/or respect. extending that, i also feel a sense of collective obligation, both as a citizen and as a human being, to address certain social problems.
i don't think there's any disconnect between these two ideas, owing without being owed in return.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING
bullshit
xpost
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:40 (nine years ago) link
try telling that to a bank!
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
recognizing that nobody owes you anything != claiming you owe nothing to anybody.
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link
it's a qualifier-free mantra designed to ward off acting towards someone as if that person owes you something out of hand, imo. basically just anti-entitlement, and basically true imo. from there it's all about the golden rule imo.
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
imo
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
yeah, you're talking about very different "owes" there.
Every time one of these happens... there's nothing to stay. Because nothing in this country is going to change but for the worse. Accept it.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:53 (nine years ago) link
nothing to say
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
also fuck the 'progressive' Democratic Party for the billionth time
there are entitled people who think their desires override the desires and even rights of others and this is a very bad thing, they should sort that out. then there are other people who have low self-esteem and don't think they deserve anything and accept mistreatment from others. women, minorities, and people who experience systematic oppression often fall into this latter camp but all kinds of people can end up with awful self-esteem issues. it's not cool to tell these people that nobody owes them anything. they should instead be mindful of the fact that they deserve decent treatment for people and are allowed to stand up for themselves if they don't receive it. again, this isn't really the issue -- the "nobody owes you anything" line was being directed at people who think others owe them things they actually do not -- but still, semantically, it bothered me.
― Treeship, Thursday, 29 May 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
yeah, it's too simplistic a statement to suit every situation to which it might apply. you could paraphrase it as, "check yr sense of entitlement." good advice, but only when someone's sense of entitlement seems excessive.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 May 2014 00:23 (nine years ago) link
i didn't read the entire gethard thing but . . . the bit about how he and his junior-high friends had a 'hilarious' plan to take over the nurse's office as a base for their attack on their school is fucked up
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 May 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
"there's nothing to say" - guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say
― ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 29 May 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
decency is not a form debt. we do not 'owe' one another compassion, and to make empathy a commodity is to buy into the game. the structures we ought to build to support the least among us shouldn't be understood as a form of repayment or they'll always be challenged by people who think they're owed whatever they manage to exploit.
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:17 (nine years ago) link
our charge to be decent to one another for the sake of us all and the sake of all of us comes from an ethic that can't be based on a ledger.
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:20 (nine years ago) link
but i sort of feel like this discussion belongs in a diff thread? idk.
― purposely lend impetus to my HOOS (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
well-put
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
though i think i would drop "sake of us all" and "sake of all of us" as totals because the other is always already elusive, i'm pretty radical-subjective levinasian about all of this tbh, generalizing to avoid generalities, with a "useful" bent, love basically.
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
ty hoos, well put indeed xxxxp
― I fink U freakfolk & I like U a Larkin (sleeve), Thursday, 29 May 2014 01:54 (nine years ago) link
guy who never ever behaves as if there's nothing to say
on a stupid fucking useless messageboard i use to kill my final years
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
:(
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:46 (nine years ago) link
sorry you feel that way. not about the board, about yourself. :(
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:47 (nine years ago) link
i have abandonment issues. plus the other stuff.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:56 (nine years ago) link
also i am drugged
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 May 2014 02:57 (nine years ago) link
xanax and vicodin?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 29 May 2014 04:51 (nine years ago) link
hoos otm
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 29 May 2014 05:10 (nine years ago) link
lots of people owe me things though. because i've leant them out. books, some cash when a friend was short at dinner, a power driver, a monitor adapter (that i don't really need anymore, so is it still owed to me if i don't want it back?), i dunno. books mainly, i suppose.
i owe some books to people too also.
anyway we all live in a network of debts and obligations and it binds us close and that's fine. it's called friendship, community, society.
some people don't know what transactions they're entering into though, or why.
― wat is teh waht (s.clover), Thursday, 29 May 2014 06:33 (nine years ago) link
hoos, clover otm
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Thursday, 29 May 2014 07:20 (nine years ago) link
still happy to think i owe others compassion, decency, respect, etc. it's a basic, human obligation that requires no ledger or balance, and i'm not super in love with the constant ilx hair-splitting about correct terminology. people who think they owe others nothing will think that no matter what language you choose.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Thursday, 29 May 2014 12:25 (nine years ago) link
You guys do understand that "the world doesn't owe you anything" is a figure of speech, right?
― Another great spree fucking. Shoot. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:02 (nine years ago) link
http://disfuctionalunit.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/boehner_bernstein-620x412.jpg
― getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:08 (nine years ago) link
*queefs*
― famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:15 (nine years ago) link
The unexpected truther
http://radio.com/2014/05/28/80s-punk-star-exene-cervenka-claims-santa-barbara-shooting-was-a-hoax/
― That's So (Eazy), Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
great thanks for that exene
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:06 (nine years ago) link
Sadly that's pretty expected these days
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:07 (nine years ago) link
she has a point. we do always see a wave of successful gun control legislation after these things.
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
sadlol
― Nhex, Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link
[nausea]
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
blecchsene
― Khamma chameleon (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
She is unwell
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 May 2014 17:37 (nine years ago) link
she should team up with moe tucker in a new band. let's call them "the reactionaries."
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
And Michelle Shocked.
― nickn, Thursday, 29 May 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
she is definitely mentally ill. i feel bad about this whole line of conversation now.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:37 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
mike watt might have a problem with that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reactionaries
― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 May 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link
The Victoria Jackson 5
― Another great spree fucking. Shoot. (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 May 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
TS: Elliot Rodger or Elliott Smith?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 29 May 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
And just a few days later in IV, a student accidently discharges his pistol (one of 7, with 1000 rounds of ammo), almost hitting someone in the next apartment.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ucsb-student-fires-gun-accidentally-misses-neighbor-isla-vista-police-article-1.1809272
― nickn, Thursday, 29 May 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
“Obviously, I’m very sorry about the whole thing,” he told The News. “It was a stupid mistake and I should have knew better."
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 May 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
if you don't know the past participle of "know" can we just take your guns away?
― the glimmer man (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 29 May 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link