Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

thanks, io. I selfishly posted that hoping to get some help in unpacking what seemed off about it.

Also that is such a stupid, terrible, stupid, STUPID title.

Yeah, I have some friends from religious studies who are championing it on fb (bc I think this dude is a religious studies professor?), but those excerpts and the title are indeed off-putting.

Yeah we shouldn't analyze Rodger according to his own terms. There was no world of hot sorority girls and musclebros that rejected him, there was just a world of people he couldn't relate to so he caricatured it according to familiar cultural tropes. His inability to connect is still an issue, but nothing in the world is the way Elliot thought it was because he saw women as non-people, as prizes.

Yeah we shouldn't analyze Rodger according to his own terms.

Gee, do you think?

For anyone to even engage with the theory that it was his lack of success at getting sexual access to women that made him violent requires a level of buy-in to patriarchy that invalidates anything they have to say.

― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, June 3, 2014

i think i agree with most of what you said in the posts above. maybe i'm drawing something different from the article.

Yeah, I have some friends from religious studies who are championing it on fb

Congratulations, your friends are terrible.

haha ;_;

xp reading the article again, he seems to both reinforce (in the way io described) and try to take down the murderer's worldview.

He needs to not even try to be in this conversation, which, judging by that repugnant mess of a blogspot post, he's not going to be able to add anything to anyway. Just stop talking.

that's my reaction to most opinion writing in general
"please stop producing words"

otm. too much noise out there already.

my only hope is that this kind of blowhard eventually produces enough words to get lose support, but it takes coalitions in that place (i.e. UCSB religious studies department) for it to happen.

Rodgers had no friends, and no success with women (if you can call "not trying and seething with anger just for not being given BJs" by every hot sorority girl lack of success), and rightfully so, because he was clearly a major DUD psychopath. He reminds me so much of that kid from 'We need to talk about Kevin"

kind of striking me with this particular shooting how much the 'reasons' are right in front of us 24/7.

in orbit very, very OTM

― ey, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

totally

im still trying to figure out if his name was Rodger or Rodgers

that's my reaction to most opinion writing in general
"please stop producing words"

― La Lechera, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:20 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

standing and applauding every in orbit post itt

also even if every woman in the world had actively spurned this guy they would still not have an iota of blame

With the economic pillars of masculine domination crumbling, sexual conquest and physical strength are all that is left to many men as ways to prove themselves to be "real" men.

LMAO even if this was halfway accurate the only sane response is "get over yourselves, men"

it takes a religious studies professor to remind us all that the real culprit here is the rising tide of equality and the diminishing value inherent in classical notions of masculinity. if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.

this is misplaced condemnation couched (clumsily) in the language of social critique and serves only to make clear how out of touch the author is

if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.

Yes, in the home, where it belongs.

it takes a religious studies professor to remind us all that the real culprit here is the rising tide of equality and the diminishing value inherent in classical notions of masculinity. if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.

― building a desert (art), Wednesday, June 4, 2014

i must not have read the article closely enough, if this is the point he was making.

do try again

There's a social background to every murderer, but there is also the murderer himself in particular

Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy

why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meeting

xp A bit like saying Charles Manson happened because of the 60s

Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy completely wrong and fucked-up

feminism and equality man, they're just the omelet

Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy

― cardamon, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:58 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, esp. since the whole culture seems to have produced very very few killers of this nature. that's something people who write hasty think-pieces often forget.

in general it's a problem when people make political hay out of isolated events

the only non-isolated (i.e. fairly common) aspect of this shooting is that it's a shooting. which happens far too often in this country.

why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meeting

Or a gun fair, where everyone's already armed, so they cant use that "if only they'd all been armed already this wouldnt have happeneed!!!>11!!" argt.

yes, esp. since the whole culture seems to have produced very very few killers of this nature. that's something people who write hasty think-pieces often forget.

― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:51 PM (6 hours ago)

also, esp, since misogyny and misogynist violence/murder are hardly some novel product of the modern era.

Something going down in Canada now, 24 yo man in camo has killed 3 Mounties and is still on the loose.

http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/national/details.asp?c=62755

why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meeting

Or a gun fair, where everyone's already armed, so they cant use that "if only they'd all been armed already this wouldnt have happeneed!!!>11!!" argt.

― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it'd be dismissed as "false flag" by the crazies as soon as it happened.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27709530

in general it's a problem when people make political hay out of isolated events

the only non-isolated (i.e. fairly common) aspect of this shooting is that it's a shooting. which happens far too often in this country.

― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously, stop talking.

we have a difficult time thinking about how culture dictates behavior on the individual level because we dont have a clear grasp of causal relationships that are neither necessary nor arbitrary.

that's what's so clever about the NRA/right-wing fixation on "mental illness," which amounts to "this is an issue with this particular individual and doesn't speak to societal problems." then of course they talk out the other side of their mouth and affirm a crisis of masculinity or the like.

24-year-old Megadeth-quoting Rambo wannabe on the run in New Brunswick after shooting 5 cops, 3 dead.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/05/justin_bourque_wanted_to_go_out_with_a_bang_report.html

why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meeting

Or a gun fair, where everyone's already armed, so they cant use that "if only they'd all been armed already this wouldnt have happeneed!!!>11!!" argt.

― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, 5 June 2014 04:26 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oops sorry was going to say 2 Fort Hood shootings kind of did that already, didn't seem to slow down the "if everybody was armed" argument

I would be bummed if it happened at a gun fair, loads of children/families there. but a meeting of NRA brass is kind of guaranteed to be 100% assholes

xp

im not sure this is a productive discussion

Most gun shows, quite reasonably, require you to unload any weapons on entering. Why, it's almost as if they know that a roomful of testosterone addicts with loaded guns is likely to lead to trouble!

See, e.g. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/11/1435631/gun-show-safety/

and

http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/faqs.php

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yeah that was kinda my point
I'm cool with no mass shootings, even ones in ironic locations

The dumb accidental shootings that happen at those things are bad enough

oh was there a productive conversation discussion happening here, I hadn't noticed

maybe fantasize about mass murder in another thread?

i thought it was okay for people to die if they like guns