Yeah, I have some friends from religious studies who are championing it on fb
Congratulations, your friends are terrible.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
haha ;_;
― Sufjenga Cat Giffin (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
xp reading the article again, he seems to both reinforce (in the way io described) and try to take down the murderer's worldview.
― Sufjenga Cat Giffin (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
He needs to not even try to be in this conversation, which, judging by that repugnant mess of a blogspot post, he's not going to be able to add anything to anyway. Just stop talking.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
that's my reaction to most opinion writing in general"please stop producing words"
― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:20 (nine years ago) link
otm. too much noise out there already.
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:21 (nine years ago) link
my only hope is that this kind of blowhard eventually produces enough words to get lose support, but it takes coalitions in that place (i.e. UCSB religious studies department) for it to happen.
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
Rodgers had no friends, and no success with women (if you can call "not trying and seething with anger just for not being given BJs" by every hot sorority girl lack of success), and rightfully so, because he was clearly a major DUD psychopath. He reminds me so much of that kid from 'We need to talk about Kevin"
― homosexual II, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link
kind of striking me with this particular shooting how much the 'reasons' are right in front of us 24/7.
― mattresslessness, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:28 (nine years ago) link
in orbit very, very OTM
― ey, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:38 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
totally
― marcos, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 19:44 (nine years ago) link
im still trying to figure out if his name was Rodger or Rodgers
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 3 June 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
― La Lechera, Tuesday, June 3, 2014 2:20 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 02:22 (nine years ago) link
standing and applauding every in orbit post itt
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:24 (nine years ago) link
also even if every woman in the world had actively spurned this guy they would still not have an iota of blame
With the economic pillars of masculine domination crumbling, sexual conquest and physical strength are all that is left to many men as ways to prove themselves to be "real" men.
LMAO even if this was halfway accurate the only sane response is "get over yourselves, men"
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 12:26 (nine years ago) link
it takes a religious studies professor to remind us all that the real culprit here is the rising tide of equality and the diminishing value inherent in classical notions of masculinity. if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.
this is misplaced condemnation couched (clumsily) in the language of social critique and serves only to make clear how out of touch the author is
― building a desert (art), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link
if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.
Yes, in the home, where it belongs.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 13:22 (nine years ago) link
it takes a religious studies professor to remind us all that the real culprit here is the rising tide of equality and the diminishing value inherent in classical notions of masculinity. if women could only be satisfied with their born roles to serve men, such violence would find its outlet in more traditional sources.― building a desert (art), Wednesday, June 4, 2014
― building a desert (art), Wednesday, June 4, 2014
i must not have read the article closely enough, if this is the point he was making.
― Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
do try again
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
There's a social background to every murderer, but there is also the murderer himself in particular
― cardamon, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy
― cardamon, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meeting
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
xp A bit like saying Charles Manson happened because of the 60s
― cardamon, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy completely wrong and fucked-up
― marcos, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
feminism and equality man, they're just the omelet
― Nhex, Wednesday, 4 June 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
Saying that Rodger has emerged, as some kind of inevitable end product, from the lowering of male power due to a rise in female power towards equilibrium is dodgy― cardamon, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:58 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― cardamon, Wednesday, June 4, 2014 1:58 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes, esp. since the whole culture seems to have produced very very few killers of this nature. that's something people who write hasty think-pieces often forget.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
in general it's a problem when people make political hay out of isolated events
the only non-isolated (i.e. fairly common) aspect of this shooting is that it's a shooting. which happens far too often in this country.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 June 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
Or a gun fair, where everyone's already armed, so they cant use that "if only they'd all been armed already this wouldnt have happeneed!!!>11!!" argt.
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, 5 June 2014 04:26 (nine years ago) link
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, June 4, 2014 4:51 PM (6 hours ago)
also, esp, since misogyny and misogynist violence/murder are hardly some novel product of the modern era.
― riot grillz (contenderizer), Thursday, 5 June 2014 06:38 (nine years ago) link
Something going down in Canada now, 24 yo man in camo has killed 3 Mounties and is still on the loose.
http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/national/details.asp?c=62755
― nickn, Thursday, 5 June 2014 06:48 (nine years ago) link
why can't one of these spree shootings be at an NRA meetingOr a gun fair, where everyone's already armed, so they cant use that "if only they'd all been armed already this wouldnt have happeneed!!!>11!!" argt.― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, June 5, 2014 5:26 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it'd be dismissed as "false flag" by the crazies as soon as it happened.
― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Thursday, 5 June 2014 08:06 (nine years ago) link
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27709530
― can't shtup the music (brownie), Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:02 (nine years ago) link
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, June 4, 2014 11:52 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Seriously, stop talking.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Thursday, 5 June 2014 12:42 (nine years ago) link
we have a difficult time thinking about how culture dictates behavior on the individual level because we dont have a clear grasp of causal relationships that are neither necessary nor arbitrary.
that's what's so clever about the NRA/right-wing fixation on "mental illness," which amounts to "this is an issue with this particular individual and doesn't speak to societal problems." then of course they talk out the other side of their mouth and affirm a crisis of masculinity or the like.
― ryan, Thursday, 5 June 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
24-year-old Megadeth-quoting Rambo wannabe on the run in New Brunswick after shooting 5 cops, 3 dead.
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/06/05/justin_bourque_wanted_to_go_out_with_a_bang_report.html
― Brio2, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Thursday, 5 June 2014 04:26 (11 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Brio2, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
oops sorry was going to say 2 Fort Hood shootings kind of did that already, didn't seem to slow down the "if everybody was armed" argument
― Brio2, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:05 (nine years ago) link
I would be bummed if it happened at a gun fair, loads of children/families there. but a meeting of NRA brass is kind of guaranteed to be 100% assholes
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
im not sure this is a productive discussion
― ryan, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link
Most gun shows, quite reasonably, require you to unload any weapons on entering. Why, it's almost as if they know that a roomful of testosterone addicts with loaded guns is likely to lead to trouble!
See, e.g. http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/11/1435631/gun-show-safety/
and
http://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/faqs.php
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
xpost yeah that was kinda my pointI'm cool with no mass shootings, even ones in ironic locations
― Brio2, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link
The dumb accidental shootings that happen at those things are bad enough
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:11 (nine years ago) link
oh was there a productive conversation discussion happening here, I hadn't noticed
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link
maybe fantasize about mass murder in another thread?
― ryan, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
i thought it was okay for people to die if they like guns
― macklin' rosie (crüt), Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
this is all just idle chatter, but let's not pretend that any of us are gonna cry any tears over the grave of Wayne LaPierre. maybe milo z.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 June 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
ban megadeth
― dn/ac (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:13 (nine years ago) link
shakey, go fuck yourself.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:25 (nine years ago) link
i know being callous about the dead is kind of your thing but your idle chatter in this instance is pretty fucking abhorrent
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
what dead am I being callous about
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 June 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
think you are misreading me