Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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Since the identity of the children in Living With Teenagers
is now known, we have removed the columns from the
Guardian website to protect their privacy.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:12 (fifteen years ago) link

someone was probably canny enough to archive them yesterday when this was dropping

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:15 (fifteen years ago) link

This blog post is OTMFM:

http://potlatch.typepad.com/weblog/2009/03/julie-myerson-vs-hannah-arendt.html

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link

"She's the literary equivalent of a flasher at a cricket match, and she deserves to get rugby tackled by a steward then evicted."

V good.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Hope that happens IRL.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Must stop abbreviating!

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:40 (fifteen years ago) link

i have read a few things about this but am not getting how it is different from other misery-memoir situations. is it that she's saying her son is an abusive bastard, rather than, as is more usual, her father? idk, people writing about their fucked-up family is not a new thing.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link

they usually wait until the father is dead, plus parents are reckoned to have more responsibility for their kids than vice versa. maybe unfair, but there it is.

joe, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link

plus schadenfreude

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:44 (fifteen years ago) link

i know someone who is writing a misery memoir, parents very much alive, and it is causing grief in her fam. unsure of how her sons -- whom she abandoned at one point -- feel. you gotta pay the rent i guess.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:46 (fifteen years ago) link

article was such a joke. half the stuff is like they're saying although there's no evidence to prove this, I heard from many friends they're sons are a holy shambles with skunk too.

kid is obviously just a little wanker and there are some family problems or bad communication or something. skunk is not a big enough drug to blame for that, and even if it was, the utter rarity of this kid's situation suggests unusual home/family factors created it.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link

*their sons of course

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Completely off-topic I know, but I noticed they have started running those execrable Wire blogs on the Guardian AGAIN. I am as big a fan of the show as anyone, but they are flogging it to death now. The tendency of the "bloggers" to refer to each other as "hoppies" and talk about episode "re-ups" etc is incredibly aggravating.

Anyway please continue laying the boot into this horrendous Myerson person.

ears are wounds, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Completely off-topic I know, but I noticed they have started running those execrable Wire blogs on the Guardian AGAIN. I am as big a fan of the show as anyone, but they are flogging it to death now. The tendency of the "bloggers" to refer to each other as "hoppies" and talk about episode "re-ups" etc is incredibly aggravating.

100% otm, wish they would s t f up. no idea what audience they serve. if you watch the show, you don't need someone writing a blog basically summarizing it. if you don't watch the show, despite the embarrassing degree of encouragement laid on by the graun, you will need this service performed even less.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:00 (fifteen years ago) link

the amount of times I hear "you have to watch the wire" makes me not want to watch it. how can so many people like something without ever being able to make it seem interesting?

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link

linehan, sayle, brooker, ughhhhh

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:03 (fifteen years ago) link

it's a common reaction, and i had it with the sopranos -- didn't get into it till series three. but at least it was still running, and it was on tv so there wasn't that much initial effort.

i really liked the wire when i watched it, which was slightly before the media barrage, but all the hype has made me almost forget what i liked. part of what is good about it is extremely traditional: it is a well-told story.

btw you simply must watch mad men!

xpost

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:06 (fifteen years ago) link

got six seasons of chiklis winging their way to me oh yeah

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Those Wire blogs are only getting about five comments each so I don't think they'll last.

I only noticed the other day how many of those episode by episode blogs they have--Generation Kill, American Idol etc.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Honestly I thought the stuff written yesterday by Mr Myerson was just as appalling as anything churned out by the wife. It's all self-indulgent hand-wringing and he was paid at least a grand to write it (basic Graun rate, but rises if you're a 'name' or you've got something they really want). I'm loath to call out the son as a wanker just because he's young and really didn't want to be put in the spotlight. He could have easily gotten an injunction to prevent the publication of the book and when he asked her what redress he had, Myerson lied and told him there was absolutely nothing he could do about it.

The problem with skunk is that unlike most cannabis, it's heavy in THC and less so in CBD, the anti-psychotic component of the drug that occurs with more balance in other varieties. Also it makes me laugh whenever middle-class people who wouldn't buy hydroponic/battery-farmed anything else get stuck into it.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:21 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah I like the weird fusion of "you have to be careful what you put in your body" and "I did grams of ketamine off a toilet" that exists in 2009.

off topic again to nrq, my brother lent me the first series of mad men on dvd but not watched any yet.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Mad Men is great! But not as good as The Wire!

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:27 (fifteen years ago) link

The Guardian have a Mad Men blog too of course.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link

they shd only let sarah hughes write abt tv

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:29 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm loath to call out the son as a wanker

I'm not, but only because "wanker" is pretty much a job description for a 17 year old.

Twitter Shitter & The Purple Hernias (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link

I use the word wanker pretty lightly.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:37 (fifteen years ago) link

eg "hi there grandad you old wanker you", "ah mum, you're some wanker all the same"

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, but I really felt I had to go there. He probably is was/an absolute arsehole tbf, but what teenager isn't? Your his mother Myserson, take some fucking responsibility.

I actually think I find her most contemptible for convincing herself that she's providing a great public service by talking about skunk as the scourge of middle-class society. What the fuck kind of evidence does this woman have to demonstrate this other than her own familial fucking anecdotes?

When was the last time she did any writing or research beyond her own dining room ffs? She threw her sun under a bus for the sake of self-aggrandizing and Paxman was bang otm in that interview on Monday.

Twitter Shitter & The Purple Hernias (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:41 (fifteen years ago) link

This "OMG THIS NEW SKUNK IS A MUCH STRONGER VARIATION TEH CANNABIS" really pisses me off.
Yes it is strong and a dangerous drug, but it's the 'NEW' part that bothers me.
As far as my experience with cannabis goes - skunk has been the norm on the street for over 8 years.

look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:42 (fifteen years ago) link

New is in relative terms: the people who discuss it as such probably smoked regular grass back in the day.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

the press has been calling it new for a long-ish time, to be fair.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link

paxman really otm, just watching it now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/7934554.stm

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link

WHAT I'D GIVE TO TRY SOME REGULAR GRASS

look at you: lookin' like a lobster (tpp), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I wonder if Paxman will have her bounced from her Late Review gig.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link

people were regularly smoking "the kind" when i started college in 1992, which is like what, 17 fucking years ago now

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link

skunk was fairly common when i smoked the reefer, more than eight years ago. or at least i was told it was skunk, whatever. but regular weed can turn you into a useless, boring, potentially paranoid and violent drugtard. i think the liberal press needed an excuse to go against the drugs when the teens of the 70s started having kids. OR SOMETHING.

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:48 (fifteen years ago) link

it's all just conjecture. I can't believe something so highly personal and lacking in substance is even given airtime. She is just waffling on and on about a specific family situation.

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I've always found "regular" weed/hash more likely to turn me into a monged out lethargo than mind-bending killer skunk, but that's probably just my violent delusions again.

And yeah skunk was around when I was at school in the lol early 90s.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link

oh my that paxman interview is quite something

"there is an emergency out there called skunk"

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"we bought him clothes, we bought him sandwiches"

cozwn, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"and he sold both for drugzz..."

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm disappointed that when she says "Oh there's lots of context you don't see" Paxman doesn't challenge her and say "well what a shit book then if you have to explain this on TV"

Local Garda, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link

lol "skunk" good luck britain

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

This "OMG THIS NEW SKUNK IS A MUCH STRONGER VARIATION TEH CANNABIS" really pisses me off.
Yes it is strong and a dangerous drug, but it's the 'NEW' part that bothers me.
As far as my experience with cannabis goes - skunk has been the norm on the street for over 8 years.

wasn't there another article that was saying "upskirt" is some new phenomenon??

\∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Skunk-smoking upskirters terrorising Julie Myerson.

zero learnt from nero (Neil S), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Julie Myerson guilty of upskunking her son I think.

Dom Cry For Me, Passantino (NickB), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 12:45 (fifteen years ago) link

the dossier was skunked up

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link

is this a Good Story

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I think you mean A Good Story.

Mylene Cockfarmer (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link

No. In all seriousness, I don't think it is. I'd have thought that to the vast majority of potential readers, it's a whinging middle-class cock-end whinging about middle-class cock-endry. A Good Story has (arguably) universal appeal; it's something about which (arguably) everyone is meant to have an opinion. This? Seriously, does anyone give a flying one?

Atoms are "balls" (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link


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