15 dead in germany now.wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link
wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.
― Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)
― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)
yep
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting
― Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link
i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link
17-year old Rammstein fans
classy
― bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link
It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.
― legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link
There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link
The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.
― How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting
A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link
I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.
― Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (fourteen years ago) link
There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.
Just... what.
― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.
― Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fourteen years ago) link
but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.
― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM
ya some people even think its great (see thread title)
― eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link
It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.
― Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent
wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.
― iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (fourteen years ago) link
(sorry)
― abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?
― Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (fourteen years ago) link
― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (fourteen years ago) link
The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.
Thanks for highlighting that.
― Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (fourteen years ago) link
really belongs on one of those "what the fuck is wrong with people/nuclear holocaust in 3 seconds" threads :-/
doesn't get much more fucked-up than that
― Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Why do I even look at these threads?
― i'm shy (Abbott), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link
I still can't believe that story. (Sadly, I can believe it happened in the Boston area.)
― BADGES DON'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO WALTZ OFF WITH A BABY (HI DERE), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link
I really wish I hadn't even looked at this thread.
― Event Horizon (Nicole), Monday, 30 March 2009 17:24 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/04/nyregion/04hostage.html?hp
now with extra xenophobia. Yay, America.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link
^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context
P.S. Re: the above thing about mental illness and society, I'm pretty sure most everything we know indicates that lots of deep mental illness has a big biological component, but the behavior that illness actually results in is heavily shaped by culture and environment.* But a lot of this is environment/culture in the kind of deep-down way that you can't exactly just decide to change one day.
* E.g., there are minor neuroses (like weird phobias) that are common and specific to certain cultures
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Countries with stricter gun control like Britain and Japan (I think) have fewer shooting sprees and drive bys than we do in America. I think there are countries where cops don't even regularly carry guns.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link
and yet Japan has highest suicide rate in the world
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
also they grope womens on the train
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link
and work way too hard and enjoy rape porn
also cartoons with school girls with penises.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Americans don't enjoy rape porn AT ALL.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, yes, limited access to guns is a pretty obvious physical way of keeping people from behaving certain ways with them
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link
I was using that as an obvious example of behavior being shaped by culture and environment. Maybe if the Japanese had as easy access to guns as Americans do, they'd be less into rape porn and shoot each other more.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link
The fact that a country has a social problem doesn't imply anything about the success/failure of its gun control policies, does it?
"Country X places a high prices on tobacco products and as a result few of their citizens smoke nowadays.""Yeah, but Country X's students score poorly on Science and Reading Comprehension."
??
― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link
Maybe we should be arming Japanese when they come to US just to see.
― Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link
this is where i'm from. trying to get in touch with my mother, but she's a hospital administrator right down the road from the shooting and likely is very busy atm. she left me a voicemail earlier saying everything was ok, so im hoping for the best, but i'm really freaking out right now
― lol .xlsior (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Here's hoping she and staff are working well and helping people
― nabisco, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link
Best wishes to you and yr ma, k3vin.
― Monkey Pocket Boob (libcrypt), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:38 (fourteen years ago) link
Japan has had several mass killings in recent years, but thankfully the death tolls have been smaller. The attackers have used knives. Gun violence is very unusual in Japan and usually involves organized crime hits.
xpost
― Super Cub, Friday, 3 April 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
Aum Shuriya bitchez
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:44 (fourteen years ago) link
Shinrikyo even
god I can't type today
― This Board is a Prison on Planet Bullshit (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah when i first saw the headline all it said was new york state (i.e., not nyc) so i kind of gasped but i am not from that part, glad yr mom is ok k3vin
― goaty (harbl), Friday, 3 April 2009 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link
talked to my mom, everyone we know is ok. my stepfather performed surgery on one of the '5 taken to a hospital' and he is going to live. it's a pretty small city with shitty internal communication, so my mom said they thought there were going to be around 40 deaths earlier, but now it appears there will be under 20.
― lol .xlsior (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 April 2009 20:07 (fourteen years ago) link
i have a feeling we'll be seeing more and more of these.
― Beatrix Kiddo, Friday, 3 April 2009 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link
> ^^ Huge conclusion-jump in that post -- see other thread for context
It's my specialty. I'm not just going to give it up.
― Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Friday, 3 April 2009 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/03/state/n092921D51.DTL&tsp=1
Killer Santa used coke before rampage.
― i have very little to do right now and wanted to make a comment (sarahel), Friday, 3 April 2009 22:57 (fourteen years ago) link
― Beatrix Kiddo, den 3 april 2009 20:10 (3 hours ago) Bookmark
feels like we are already?
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 3 April 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/14/iowa-principal-school-shooting-died-00135533
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 January 2024 21:15 (two months ago) link
Several people shot at New York City subway station, police say
Police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot or the extent of their injuriesAssociated PressMon 12 Feb 2024 18.03 EST
Several people were shot Monday at a New York City subway station, police said.
The shooting was reported about 4.38pm.
A police spokesperson could not immediately say how many people were shot, the extent of their injuries or whether anyone was in custody.
The station is in the Bronx, at the intersection of Mount Eden and Jerome Avenues.
Video from television news helicopters showed a subway train stopped at the station and orange evidence cones on the elevated platform.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 12 February 2024 23:47 (one month ago) link
Also this one I heard on the radio this morning. Too few to qualify as mass shooting, but strange in its own right. Occurred at J03l 05t33n's mega-church. And the female shooter's 7 yr old son was shot in the head, likely by the guards there since the shooter came in with him.
https://news.yahoo.com/woman-opened-fire-joel-osteens-145458078.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
― nickn, Monday, 12 February 2024 23:57 (one month ago) link
Texas is the reason
Police believe Moreno legally purchased the AR-15 in December.
Authorities have not released a motive for the shooting. Hassig said Moreno had a "mental health history"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 00:03 (one month ago) link
Osteen's reaction to this was genuinely creepy and inhuman, he was smirking through the whole thing
― frogbs, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 04:49 (one month ago) link
the shooting was during the Spanish language service, which was probably a relief to him
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 05:16 (one month ago) link
Comments on that Yahoo story are an ... adventure.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 12:50 (one month ago) link
the piece itself is almost unintelligible? it’s like an ai “tell me about an imaginary mass shooting in tx.”
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 13:04 (one month ago) link
i know “rules” about pronouns and consistent organization and organized narrative and like that have changed, but it was like trying to interpret yr nightmare images after waking, with identities changing within sequences and time order shuffled or something. whose kid? who died? wait who the fuck? huh?
― a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 13 February 2024 13:08 (one month ago) link
Yeah, I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."
― nickn, Tuesday, 13 February 2024 17:16 (one month ago) link
Up to 10 victims injured in shooting near Chiefs parade, fire department says
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-02-14-24/index.html
But of course, the Chiefs won so let's shoot at the crowd
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 14 February 2024 21:04 (one month ago) link
...officials now confirming 22 have been injured with nine of them believed to be children.
JFC
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:06 (one month ago) link
Oh god
― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 15 February 2024 01:39 (one month ago) link
the Osteen church shooter's kid does not sound like he is going to have any quality of life, if he lives (lost most of his frontal lobe; no one knows yet if she shot him or he was shot by the police).
I noticed there were no pronouns used in the first story, but a note that the shooter sometimes used the alias "Jeffrey." I skimmed the second story and saw some "shes."
yeah initial reports on social media in awful places seemed to be 'shooter was trans!' but it does not appear to be the case; shooter was apparently schizophrenic.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/us/lakewood-church-shooting-child-victim-injury/index.html
― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 16 February 2024 23:38 (one month ago) link
Yesterday near Monterey, Cal. Four dead in drive-by, reasons unknown.
https://www.ksbw.com/article/1-victim-shot-in-king-city-was-celebrating-california-birthday-killed/60085162]
― nickn, Tuesday, 5 March 2024 18:53 (three weeks ago) link
the city of brotherly love
Seven bystanders were injured on Wednesday in a shooting involving a Philadelphia city bus, authorities said, the fourth gunfire incident on the transit system in as many days.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/shooting-philadelphia-bus-seven-people-injured
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 7 March 2024 01:22 (three weeks ago) link
Philadelphia is the poorest city of its size in the United States. Northeast and Rhawnhurst areas near where that incident took place are notoriously rough, with shitty transit options and few social services and community hubs. I mention this not to excuse this sort of violence, which is reprehensible, but to say that I think it arrives from different social conditions than a lot of spree shootings that have been discussed in this thread.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:23 (three weeks ago) link
That’s also the 4th shooting on a Philadelphia bus this week.
― President Keyes, Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:53 (three weeks ago) link
Yeah, and none of them can be separated from the social conditions within Philadelphia. I’ve helped bury kids shot in gang beefs, trust me I know what the stakes are and what’s going on in the city where I live.
― butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:20 (three weeks ago) link
A guy in Toronto fired at pro-Palestine protesters the other day. With a nail gun. Nobody injured. So glad we don’t have our equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. Yet.
― It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:27 (three weeks ago) link
3 dead in Levittown, shooter on the run
https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/
― StanM, Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:06 (one week ago) link
Every time this thread is revived I despair.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:18 (one week ago) link