have already given the DiS reviewer a bit of shit (in a nice way) for only giving it 9/10 - but his and I'd imagine many reviewers' perspectives are going to be unversed - a veritable pondsworth of neophytes, innocently unaware of what is to be unleashed, and then word-strung, agog and running dangerously low on plausible 'x on speed!' canards amidst and after the immersion
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:22 (nine years ago) link
his review conveyed the giddy jerk of Cardiacs introduction quite well, I thought
anyway, my postman is being SLOW, either that or ABC is
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
Has anyone actually managed to pre-order this?
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 11 July 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link
yeah, by ordering on the morning it was released, m8
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:33 (nine years ago) link
It looks like I could have pre-ordered it on the 7th but it's actually going on sale on the 14th. As it's limited to 200 copies I'll just give up hope of getting a copy right now.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 11 July 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
aw
my CD copy is currently out on loan, in fact - need to make sure I get that back at some point
spent more on this album than on all other recorded music combined over the last maybe 2 or 3 years? but then it is the greatest album ever so
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link
Rehearsal version of An Ant has randomly popped up. Maybe my least liked early Cardiacs tune, I never really found Jim cute, before this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0yTGM4D1io
― MaresNest, Sunday, 21 September 2014 07:38 (nine years ago) link
^i liked this
ANYWAY, is this a good idea?
fuck it, at some point I'll do a Cardiacs & Affiliated ballot poll and I don't care how many of you vote― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, October 17, 2014 1:24 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, October 17, 2014 1:24 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
coz, like, XTC are the second greatest English pop band of all time and their poll has me itching for the grand show
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
How about a boring normal poll of the live albums? Mostly proposing this cos I have a couple of opinions on it.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:33 (nine years ago) link
we can do that as well :)
special garage vs mares nest vs rude bootleg vs um some other bootleg? or am i missing one
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:33 (nine years ago) link
Cardiacs Live. Plus discussion of bootlegs, radio bits etc
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link
this is where I get all weepy about the single bootlegged live recording of Dream Dress that's on Youtube, right
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
Certainly you are welcome to do so. I guess we could just have that discussion here but it would lack the drama & focus of a poll thread.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:41 (nine years ago) link
But yeah, I'd vote in a big poll thing to make up numbers. Never actually done that before - couple of times I started to then after 15 mins I was giving it "fuck lists".
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
the trouble with a live albums poll is that I wouldn't know whether to vote for the Garage Concerts or Mares Nest - there are overwhelming ideological reasons to vote for either - and would collapse in a mess of glorious indecision
HOWEVER
a ballot poll could have the following sections:
a) Studio albums of Cardiacs & anything Tim Smith has been a principal songwriter in (Sea Nymphs, Mr & Mrs..., Spratleys Japs)b) Studio tracks of Cardiacs & anything ditto c) Live albums (name your favourite only)d) Studio albums of the Cardiacs extended family (define as you like)e) Studio tracks of the Cardiacs extended family
to be unveiled in the order a-c-d-e-b
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
and yeah I mostly subscribe to 'fuck lists' but the opportunity to really engage with Autechre and XTC in the last few weeks has been gladly taken tbh - who knows whom this exercise might inspire!
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
No "favourite Cardiac" then?
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
we can't let Jim even in with a chance of winning so no
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
I think (a) should be anything with the Cardiacs name on it and Spratleys etc go under (e) or (d). Not sure you'd need both (d) and (e) actually. Just (e) would be good.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Maybe. But then Spratleys, Sea Nymphs would have the unfair advantage of Tim Smith's songwriting! There's a grey area between Cardiacs-except-in-name and stuff that's completely different. Spratleys is definitely the one I'd most keenly try to argue under the Cardiacs banner, Oceanlandworld as well come to think of it. Some of the songs on those two albums are as brilliant as anything he's done, and (almost) as Cardiacsy
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
You're probably right that d) is unnecessary though, much as I'd like to proselytise the NSRO at enormous length
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
You can still do that though.
Also feels like there needs to be space for the radio sessions and bootlegs...they are in the canon. Maybe just add that to the live albums portion?
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that seems fair.
Oceanlandworld....ah man. It's such an astonishing record. Nobody's bloody heard it. It's completely amazing. It both anticipates and betters all of Britpop, too - This Grounds Town contains all of Blur and then some
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
(and it's, like, one of the album's comparatively weaker tracks)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
See if anyone else weighs in on this after dawn breaks.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
that sea nymphs peel session is pretty essential
― rushomancy, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:13 (nine years ago) link
Juts piping up to say bring it on! :)
― Noel Emits, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:26 (nine years ago) link
Must fix those juts, come to think of it.
― Noel Emits, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:27 (nine years ago) link
I've been listening to The Sea Nymphs as I have been commuting this week and it never ceases to delight and amaze, I'd love for some learned person to recommend me some related Classical music (other than the obv).
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
don't think anyone has pushed the Satie paradigm in such interesting directions other than Smith and Drake tbh, but I too would be delighted to hear of a counterexample
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
I mean, Chilly Gonzalez kinda starts from the same musical base but heads in an altogether far more mundane direction, and sometimes does rubbish raps over it too lol
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:39 (nine years ago) link
Stars in Battledress, maybe?
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:52 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but they're 'the obvious', lol
hence why an Affiliated poll on top of the Cardiacs one would be awesome - there's a whole family of this music, quite unlike anything else
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:03 (nine years ago) link
I should just ask James Larcombe, there's merely a whip between Bill's Solo material and some Sea Nymphs
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
If only he still posted here eh?
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
Just sent him a msg, will report back.
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
maybe to you! it seems like outside of Cardiacs circles nobody has a clue about them! (sees thread title)
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:37 (nine years ago) link
Hey Frogbs do you like (the band) Levitation?
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
Okay, James is gonna ask Tim & Bill next time he see's them, so I'll keep you posted.
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
don't know em
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link
O sweet, nice work :)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 14:06 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46PBmilni0w
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
sounds good but I'm interested in that piano in the background and this YouTube is too lo-fi to make it out. very cool tune though!
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
I've reached the point of Cardiacsness whereby I can listen to The Obvious Identity or Toy World and feel exactly the same joy as I do listening to any of the properly-recorded stuff. Some of those songs are as good as anything.
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 21:29 (nine years ago) link
A Balloon For Bertie's Party is...I'll come to weeping if I try to describe it. The outro, just Tim and a guitar, is one of the most staggering, spine-chillingly beautiful things I'll ever hear. It's a collective dream of England, too lovely for death. 7:20 is where I can't handle it any more.
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Saturday, 18 October 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link
Hooray! I ordered 13 Cardiacs albums from their site and got them in the mail today.
On the receipt letter was "Wow! You're a hungry boy!", but maybe that's on all the receipt letters?
I got Sing To God a couple of years ago (I paid around 100 pounds for both parts and don't regret it) and I was very happy to discover recently that their own site has their albums for non-crazy prices.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 29 November 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
Congratulations!
Sing to God is probably one of the only albums made worth paying £100 for, but still, ouch. I managed to find StG in a second-hand record shop a few years ago and paid a couple of quid, I think. The owner obviously didn't know what he was sitting on and barely hid his sneer when he looked at the cover.
It's been good to get er, physical copies of their discography over the last 18 months or so, including Tim Smith's solo album which I sometimes thought I'd never hear.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 29 November 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
Finished listening to On Land And In The Sea. It's wonderful, especially the Last track. It never seems like there's as many as 13 tracks when I'm listening. I wish there was a bit more of Sarah's vocals, does she sing more on the other albums?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:33 (nine years ago) link
Not really. Think that album was the most vocals she ever did. But there's Sea Nymphs/Mr & Ms Smith and Mr Drake material where she does a lot more.
― everything, Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:36 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, just recalled that she sings a fair bit on Guns including lead on Wind and Rain is Cold.
― everything, Thursday, 19 March 2015 01:36 (nine years ago) link