Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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don't know if there were sound issues per se, but I think Robertson overdubbed some parts

maybe Dylan's voice seems clearer in the Odds&End take?

anyway, a remaster should be good, Another Self Portrait had amazing sound compared to SP, Dylan and New Morning

niels, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:29 (nine years ago) link

I thought a lot of the stuff on the Basement Tapes was not even from the sessions just tacked on Band studio tracks (like Bessie Smith)

ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:33 (nine years ago) link

The original Basement lp got remastered alongside Before The Flood, New Morning, and, er, Dylan & The Dead back in 2009. Shortly thereafter a leak of Garth Hudson's safety tape reel of like 20+ tracks in pristine quality appeared online.

As for tinkering on the o.g. album, Robertson over saw a faux stereo mix in addition to overdubbed vocals and instrumental parts from The Band (mostly guitar and drums iirc) on the Dylan material. As noted, all of The Band's own songs on the album were all recorded later, even though it was material tied to that time.

I Don't Wanna Ice Bucket With You (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 12:43 (nine years ago) link

I'm curious if Helm's on this set at all. I think he might've done an overdub or two for the 1975 release (and was obviously on the Band tracks), but had he returned from Arkansas in time to be heard on these tapes?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:56 (nine years ago) link

yeah he's on some stuff -- right around this point he pops up. maybe he's on some of the un-booted stuff too?
14. 900 Miles from My Home (Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan)
15. Wildwood Flower (written by A.P. Carter)
16. One Kind Favor (Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan)
17. She’ll be Coming Round the Mountain (Traditional, arranged by Bob Dylan)
18. It’s the Flight of the Bumblebee

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:16 (nine years ago) link

Oh, cool! It's hard for me to imagine Band singing without him.

It's funny, Robertson always talks about, "it was so casual, we were just hanging out, doing whatever, didn't think anyone would hear it" but then also "I CALLED LEVON AND SAID GET BACK HERE RIGHT NOW, THIS IS AMAZING WHAT'S HAPPENING!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

yeah i'm sure robertson was having his mind blown on a regular basis during that time, even if he plays it off as being just dudes hanging out.
levon also returned to the fold because danko told him they were being offered a six-figure record deal too iirc, haha. bizarre to imagine the band if he had been like "nah, i'm going to continue working on this oil rig."

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link

Ha, yeah, I figured it was more than "hey, we're hanging with Dylan -- you know, that guy who's tour you quit -- in his house recording music no one will hear" that got Levon off the oil rig.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

listening to a tree with roots this morning - THE BASEMENT TAPES ARE SO GOOD

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:31 (nine years ago) link

^^^^

famous instagram God (waterface), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

woah where is that from

famous instagram God (waterface), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link

was over on the expecting rain forums -- seems like it's from the same time as this one?
http://images.macmillan.com/folio-assets/macmillan_us_frontbookcovers_1000H/9780312572914.jpg
same hat anyway.

tylerw, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link

Some weird synchronicity: woke up this morning thinking 'I really need to listen to a Tree with Roots today', fired it up, listened on commute, got to the office to see they're releasing this thing finally. So strange

Brakhage, Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link

he needs to bring back the Davy Crockett hat + up-to-the-chin overalls, getting kind of an Adam Ant vibe from that look

Brad C., Thursday, 28 August 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link

For all the sturm und drang over RR's overdubs and Band demos, I've always dug the shit out of things like "Yazoo Street Scandal." Big Pink Funk with Calliope Garth Hudson wheedling over the top is ok in my book. And however they came up with it, the BT's version of "This Wheel's on Fire" is fucking definitive.

Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 29 August 2014 02:59 (nine years ago) link

i love all those songs! it was more just ppl grumbling that it was sort of phony to have them there

ra's al goole (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 29 August 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link

Yeah that album is a total classic, overdubs and non basement songs included.

tylerw, Friday, 29 August 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link

If the official adulterated/overdubbed basement tapes had a version of All I Have To Do Is Dream on it it'd be all I need tbrr

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 30 August 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link

floorbirds = essential

before you die you see the rink (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 30 August 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Whole thing streaming online at NPR right now:

http://www.npr.org/2014/10/26/357630611/first-listen-bob-dylan-the-basement-tapes-complete-the-bootleg-series-vol-11

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link

sampler

i blow goat farts, aka garts for a living (waterface), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link

Sasha Frere-Jones sez, "Robbie Robertson already picked all the winners!"
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/03/fall-4

Historically, these sessions have been treated with awe, as if something essential about both Dylan and popular song can be found on the tapes. That’s at best half true. The performances weren’t approached with any kind of gravity, and are best listened to with no reverence at all. For every moment of revelation and synthesis, there are five throwaways.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 27 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link

sampler

Yeah whoops

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 October 2014 19:17 (nine years ago) link

he's right that there are plenty of throwaways, but there's also plenty of wonderful stuff that hasn't yet seen official release. i like a lot of the ballads on this one especially, some of which were never released because the takes aren't complete.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link

i mean song for song that recent bootleg series volume on 1969–1970 might beat this one

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 20:39 (nine years ago) link

dunno, the "throwaways" are a big part of the basement tapes, aren't they? they're the basement tapes!
i like the unfinished-ness of these recordings. I think it was paul williams who said it was more like hearing the idea of the song, rather than the song itself.

tylerw, Monday, 27 October 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link

i can't imagine what hearing an idea of a song sounds like

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 21:21 (nine years ago) link

You will if you listen to this whole thing, or A Tree With Roots. Also, I love how he sings "Still In Town," "Young But Daily Growing" (such a voice on the boysky then, when he was in the mood); very crisp, non-throwaway covers of other folk & country chestnuts too, giving the originals some competition (though I assume "Silent Weekend," on the xpost pre-release sampler posted at npr, is an original, and also country strong" a tad blurry around the edges, but appropriately so: swigging and swinging that moonshine consolation)

dow, Monday, 27 October 2014 21:41 (nine years ago) link

So no, Robertson didn't pick nearly all the keepers---and for all his thoughtful fixes in the mixes, this sampler has better audio.

dow, Monday, 27 October 2014 21:43 (nine years ago) link

hey dow - are any of the songs that cut off prematurely in tree w/roots available in a full version on this? or was that all there was?

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 27 October 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link

Haven't heard the whole legit version, just this sampler. Lot of track info grayed out on iTunes and Amazon, last time I checked (but iTunes did have the whole digital thang for $59.99; Amazon's only digital is 2-discs-worth, for $19.99 I think [that's Raw, the Robertson picks minus his fixes, plus a few more]; their only Complete is 6 CDs and a book or booklet, for $127.99)

dow, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:04 (nine years ago) link

rollingstone.com's prob got more info about tracks.

dow, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

You will if you listen to this whole thing, or A Tree With Roots

i have, many times.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link

i too love "still in town," "young but daily growin," "spanish is the loving tongue," "the french girl," etc.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link

my comment above was just taking issue with that critic's line about "hearing the idea of a song"--i have no idea what that means

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 27 October 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link

Well, like on the sampler's version of "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere," you sort of have to squint at it, or some of it is a squint; D. hasn't quite gotten it in focus yet, seems like.

dow, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link

SFJ is such a cunt

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 October 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link

That first track on the NPR sampler sounds no better than my boot version -- lowering my expectations

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 27 October 2014 23:45 (nine years ago) link

30 unbootlegged tracks in the box, right? No idea if they make it worth buying for those who have A Tree With Roots (at the moment,it's a moot point for me, financially).

dow, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:00 (nine years ago) link

there's no way i'm buying this for $150 or whatever. what's in the box? bob dylan nose hair? a t-shirt? redundant vinyl? a hardbound box i will look at once, maybe? fuck a sony.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:38 (nine years ago) link

for that much money i want the actual basement tapes in the box, like, the original tapes.

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link

You get temporary custody of Garth Hudson.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:43 (nine years ago) link

And the screen door he fixed.

Naive Teen Idol, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:44 (nine years ago) link

on a side note, why does greil marcus keep retitling his books?

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 October 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link

Ordered a copy from Overstock.com - $99.15 with free shipping.

Jazzbo, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link

Xpost "Temporary Custody of Garth Hudson" sounds like a Dylan tune from 1966.

Jazzbo, Friday, 31 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link

Overstock? Anticipating low sales out-the-gate? Given the NPR sneak-peak, unless the book is super fantastic, gonna buy this one second hand.

bodacious ignoramus, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link

gaaaah this is so goooooooood

I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 1 November 2014 23:50 (nine years ago) link

better sound quality than tree w/roots?

are any of the former partial songs there in full form?

$109 on pop market deal today

There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 November 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link


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