indefensible: john gruber

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pffffffffffffffffffffff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 31 August 2014 23:24 (five years ago) link

a lot of these guys are really bad writers

like this guy has stopped being a developer to become a writer?!

http://mattgemmell.com/confessions-of-an-ex-developer/

if he were american he'd probably be the kind of guy who'd have a copy of strunk and white on this desk (via gruber). but in spite of (because of) that, i feel like i'm having a stroke when i try to parse his writing.

caek, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 13:51 (five years ago) link

My answer is always the same: not really. The actual truth of the matter, as ever, is more nuanced.

*leans in* say more...

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:02 (five years ago) link

he used to insist on calling himself matt legend gemmell

sktsh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:02 (five years ago) link

My answer is always the same: not really. The actual truth of the matter, as ever, is more nuanced.

My mind still works in a systemic, algorithmic way

no it doesn't

caek, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:03 (five years ago) link

http://www.patreon.com/mattgemmell

he's making $268 american dollars per month!

mh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:04 (five years ago) link

aw

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:11 (five years ago) link

MATT GEMMELL IS CREATING
WORDS WITH MEANING

oh man he's creating his own words now, how artisanal

mh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:14 (five years ago) link

I find myself fashioning sentences, and occasionally paragraphs with some meaning, but would never go so far as to create words.

mh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:17 (five years ago) link

creating words is groapcian exercise imho

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 14:19 (five years ago) link

his favourite band is Dire Straits

stet, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:08 (five years ago) link

i hope you know that because you found his four hour spotify mix 'coding with the legend' like i did

sktsh, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:15 (five years ago) link

dire straits is good

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 15:58 (five years ago) link

http://www.clickhole.com/blogpost/why-i-stopped-758

lag∞n, Tuesday, 2 September 2014 17:10 (five years ago) link

http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-flavored-markdown

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:04 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/markdown/status/507341395137658880

markers, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:26 (five years ago) link

lol grube mad

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:30 (five years ago) link

LOOOOL

joe "scratch" perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:32 (five years ago) link

i wouldn't expect anything less from him

joe "scratch" perry (diamonddave85), Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:32 (five years ago) link

grubington

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:43 (five years ago) link

His entire "ownership" of what is basically a rough text formatting convention and one perl script has been the pissiest show of fake power for years. iirc people tried to submit a few bug fixes to his perl script and he refused to even update that, let alone do anything markdown-related other than say he was the creator (lol) for a decade.

The fact he's trying to claim ownership or exclusivity over the ability to make _underscores_ turn into italics or w/e is so.... nothing.

mh, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:43 (five years ago) link

its kinda like how he writes all day abt usability and his site is not mobile ready

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:49 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/gruber/status/507570887068237824 lool

(OK, I'm hardly one to talk on the benign neglect line but y'know)

stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:51 (five years ago) link

its kinda like how he writes all day abt usability and his site is not mobile ready

Yeah but you just know this is also some bullshit principle. iOS Safari is such a magical experience that you don't even need the baby web. See also: apple.com

stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:52 (five years ago) link

ha yeah i love to pinch just to read still not big enough text its good

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:53 (five years ago) link

markdown is very good but grube believes himself an artist when hes really a craftsman

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link

he is such a ding dong

mh, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link

what jackass

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

ive got a heaping cup of claim chowder to server this jackass i swear

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:58 (five years ago) link

server this jackass

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:02 (five years ago) link

damn straight

lag∞n, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:03 (five years ago) link

Yeah the official Markdown is a Perl script implemented with regexes and tons of undefined edge cases, so thanks for the idea Grubes but the Pandoc guy is the true Markdown king now.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:13 (five years ago) link

also no thanks for the idea. fuck markup. the mac did this better in 1984. ⌘-B >>>>>> "* *"

stet, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:19 (five years ago) link

Is that a rejected JW user name

, Thursday, 4 September 2014 17:22 (five years ago) link

^_^

⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 4 September 2014 19:42 (five years ago) link

The @horse_markdown parody Twitter account

fields of salmon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:38 (five years ago) link

man I don't ordinarily play this card but of Jeff Atwood and John Gruber, one of those people is actually a professional software developer

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:59 (five years ago) link

http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:06 (five years ago) link

grubers a baby

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:06 (five years ago) link

Marco Arment @marcoarment

Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:10 (five years ago) link

it is a commendable dick move imo

⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 00:21 (five years ago) link

John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.

socki (s1ocki), Friday, 5 September 2014 13:28 (five years ago) link

Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:34 (five years ago) link

I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:43 (five years ago) link

Allen (etaeoe)
Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AM
Atwood is a schmuck too.

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:49 (five years ago) link

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:51 (five years ago) link

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

No contest.

Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:54 (five years ago) link

I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?

psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is

⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:58 (five years ago) link

it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com

markers, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:31 (five years ago) link

otm

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 20:24 (five years ago) link


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