indefensible: john gruber

LOOOOL

i wouldn't expect anything less from him

grubington

His entire "ownership" of what is basically a rough text formatting convention and one perl script has been the pissiest show of fake power for years. iirc people tried to submit a few bug fixes to his perl script and he refused to even update that, let alone do anything markdown-related other than say he was the creator (lol) for a decade.

The fact he's trying to claim ownership or exclusivity over the ability to make _underscores_ turn into italics or w/e is so.... nothing.

its kinda like how he writes all day abt usability and his site is not mobile ready

https://twitter.com/gruber/status/507570887068237824 lool

(OK, I'm hardly one to talk on the benign neglect line but y'know)

its kinda like how he writes all day abt usability and his site is not mobile ready

Yeah but you just know this is also some bullshit principle. iOS Safari is such a magical experience that you don't even need the baby web. See also: apple.com

ha yeah i love to pinch just to read still not big enough text its good

markdown is very good but grube believes himself an artist when hes really a craftsman

he is such a ding dong

what jackass

ive got a heaping cup of claim chowder to server this jackass i swear

server this jackass

damn straight

Yeah the official Markdown is a Perl script implemented with regexes and tons of undefined edge cases, so thanks for the idea Grubes but the Pandoc guy is the true Markdown king now.

also no thanks for the idea. fuck markup. the mac did this better in 1984. ⌘-B >>>>>> "* *"

Is that a rejected JW user name

^_^

The @horse_markdown parody Twitter account

man I don't ordinarily play this card but of Jeff Atwood and John Gruber, one of those people is actually a professional software developer

http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown

grubers a baby

Marco Arment @marcoarment

Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.

it is a commendable dick move imo

John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.

Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.

I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?

Allen (etaeoe)
Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AM
Atwood is a schmuck too.

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

No contest.

Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.

I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?

psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is

it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com

otm

Jeff Atwood ‏@codinghorror 2m
The Standard / Common Markdown project, in accordance with the wishes of @gruber, has been renamed to http://commonmark.org

Such total twats.

Hey let's move this to Discourse.

congrats gruber you just made yourself even more irrelevant to this than you already are

(btw presumably the spec is not in the form of a BNF grammar definition b/c markdown isn't even context-free so you couldn't specify or implement it that way, or use a context-free parser generator to parse it. The pandoc guy's implementations generally use Parsing Expression Grammars, an abstraction for describing parses with more power than a CFG.)

Jeff Atwood may be a dillweed but jgm (the pandoc guy) is good at actual things.

http://commonmark.org

Are the Yankees the best team in baseball?
We used to think so.

It's possible to specify a context sensitive language using a formal grammar. In fact, it's a useful exercise because the grammar emphasizes the ambiguities of the underlying language. It's also possible to reduce a language into a context-free grammar by assuming a modifying lexical analysis pass (e.g. many programming languages, but notably white space sensitive languages like Haskell or Python). Semicolon insertion is a common technique.

Heh I stand outgunned.

can u explain that to someone who like knows jquery

https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/509410066857201664

i love @pinboard

srsly

when he clowns the people who bought delicious I giggle

the youtube dudes, right? chad hurley and whoever?

idk man but I googled this
http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/delicious

pharrell? xp