indefensible: john gruber

also no thanks for the idea. fuck markup. the mac did this better in 1984. ⌘-B >>>>>> "* *"

Is that a rejected JW user name

^_^

The @horse_markdown parody Twitter account

man I don't ordinarily play this card but of Jeff Atwood and John Gruber, one of those people is actually a professional software developer

http://blog.codinghorror.com/standard-markdown-is-now-common-markdown

grubers a baby

Marco Arment @marcoarment

Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.

it is a commendable dick move imo

John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.

Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.

I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?

Allen (etaeoe)
Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AM
Atwood is a schmuck too.

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

No contest.

Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.

I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?

psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is

it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com

otm

Jeff Atwood ‏@codinghorror 2m
The Standard / Common Markdown project, in accordance with the wishes of @gruber, has been renamed to http://commonmark.org

Such total twats.

Hey let's move this to Discourse.

congrats gruber you just made yourself even more irrelevant to this than you already are

(btw presumably the spec is not in the form of a BNF grammar definition b/c markdown isn't even context-free so you couldn't specify or implement it that way, or use a context-free parser generator to parse it. The pandoc guy's implementations generally use Parsing Expression Grammars, an abstraction for describing parses with more power than a CFG.)

Jeff Atwood may be a dillweed but jgm (the pandoc guy) is good at actual things.

http://commonmark.org

Are the Yankees the best team in baseball?
We used to think so.

It's possible to specify a context sensitive language using a formal grammar. In fact, it's a useful exercise because the grammar emphasizes the ambiguities of the underlying language. It's also possible to reduce a language into a context-free grammar by assuming a modifying lexical analysis pass (e.g. many programming languages, but notably white space sensitive languages like Haskell or Python). Semicolon insertion is a common technique.

Heh I stand outgunned.

can u explain that to someone who like knows jquery

https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/509410066857201664

i love @pinboard

srsly

when he clowns the people who bought delicious I giggle

the youtube dudes, right? chad hurley and whoever?

idk man but I googled this
http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/delicious

pharrell? xp

i think that's it

oh god dude is already talking like he's a watch expert

its too bad he didnt have any time to get into watches and now he just has to think the apple watch is the best

A few days into testing the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, I accidentally left my personal iPhone 5S on a desk next to the iPhone 6 Plus. While my back was turned, the Plus tried to eat my 5S. It’s a monster.

cant tell if serious..

I kid, but only sort of.

oh

Only sort of kidding that his demo phone is an actual living breathing monster

now im scared, great

It’s been a while since I used a rounded iPhone. It’s nice. With the iPhone 6, I’ve found myself reverting to a habit I formed back in 2007 with the original iPhone: slowly spinning it around in my hand, over and over, side over side, like one of those “worry stones” that were popular back in the 1990s. It just feels nice in your hand. (The 6 Plus is too big for me to do this with.)

Ah, but then there’s The Bulge. Both iPhone 6 models have a camera lens that protrudes from the back of the phone. It’s noticeable, and, let’s face it, a little gross. But this was foreseeable given that the presciently-designed iPod Touch from two years ago had one too. (The iPod Touch is just 6.1mm thick, thinner even than the iPhone 6.) This is a conflict with the laws of physics: image quality improves when the lens is further away from the sensor (which allows for physically larger sensors), but devices feel better in hand and weigh less when they are thinner. Apple’s only options for the iPhone 6:

Use a camera with worse optics that would sit flush with the rest of the case.

Make the entirely device thicker to sit flush with the camera lens.

Allow the camera lens to protrude from the back of the camera.

The first choice is unacceptable. Image quality is too important to allow it to suffer — and Apple certainly couldn’t allow image quality on the iPhone 6 to be worse than on the 5S. So the choice was between #2 and #3, and as a fan of smaller thinner devices, I can’t say I disagree with Apple’s decision to go with #3. It’s reasonable to argue that the iPhone 6 would have been better if Apple had gone with #2 (and filled the additional volume with a slightly thicker battery), but that’s not really Apple-like.

omg why didnt they do this drives me fn nuts mane

they did it to drive you nuts iirc

They could have made the camera thinner if they went super wide angle, and then used post processing to fix the image / crop

omg why didnt they do this drives me fn nuts mane

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:21 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know!!

They could have made the camera thinner if they went super wide angle, and then used post processing to fix the image / crop

― 龜, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:33 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jony ive, browsing ilx, facepalms

cropping does not have the same effect as a longer lens tho, iphone lens already way too fn wide imho impossible to take pictures of anything far away

There are probably too many DSLR purist freaks on the design team to ever go for a flat solution tho

the watch post...

what kind of monster is he?