indefensible: john gruber

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Marco Arment @marcoarment

Whether Gruber filed a trademark with the USPTO or not has no relevance on whether it’s a dick move to commandeer the name.

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 00:10 (five years ago) link

it is a commendable dick move imo

⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 00:21 (five years ago) link

John Gruber was also very upset, and I think rightfully so, that the word Markdown was not capitalized throughout the spec.

socki (s1ocki), Friday, 5 September 2014 13:28 (five years ago) link

Atwood is a schmuck too. I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF? You're making the exact same mistake.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:34 (five years ago) link

I'm also amused it took two years. What were they spending their time on? Another unverifiable reference parser?

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:43 (five years ago) link

Allen (etaeoe)
Posted: September 5, 2014 at 10:34:44 AM
Atwood is a schmuck too.

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:49 (five years ago) link

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 14:51 (five years ago) link

i love the classic aggressive v passive aggressive face off going on here

Totally. They should take their beef to app.net.

dont think arwood can compete w gruber in the schmuck department tho

No contest.

Aside: has ILX discussed Model View Culture? The Shanley and Atwood drama was entertaining.

Allen (etaeoe), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:54 (five years ago) link

I love that the specification doesn't include a grammar. WTF?

psssh like these talky web and MS-lovin' dudes know what a grammar is

⌘-B (mh), Friday, 5 September 2014 14:58 (five years ago) link

it's nabisco's blog iirc: http://agrammar.tumblr.com

markers, Friday, 5 September 2014 17:31 (five years ago) link

otm

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 20:24 (five years ago) link

Jeff Atwood ‏@codinghorror 2m
The Standard / Common Markdown project, in accordance with the wishes of @gruber, has been renamed to http://commonmark.org

lag∞n, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:06 (five years ago) link

Such total twats.

Hey let's move this to Discourse.

stet, Friday, 5 September 2014 23:14 (five years ago) link

congrats gruber you just made yourself even more irrelevant to this than you already are

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Friday, 5 September 2014 23:52 (five years ago) link

(btw presumably the spec is not in the form of a BNF grammar definition b/c markdown isn't even context-free so you couldn't specify or implement it that way, or use a context-free parser generator to parse it. The pandoc guy's implementations generally use Parsing Expression Grammars, an abstraction for describing parses with more power than a CFG.)

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:01 (five years ago) link

Jeff Atwood may be a dillweed but jgm (the pandoc guy) is good at actual things.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:03 (five years ago) link

http://commonmark.org

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Saturday, 6 September 2014 00:38 (five years ago) link

Are the Yankees the best team in baseball?
We used to think so.

sofatruck, Saturday, 6 September 2014 03:01 (five years ago) link

It's possible to specify a context sensitive language using a formal grammar. In fact, it's a useful exercise because the grammar emphasizes the ambiguities of the underlying language. It's also possible to reduce a language into a context-free grammar by assuming a modifying lexical analysis pass (e.g. many programming languages, but notably white space sensitive languages like Haskell or Python). Semicolon insertion is a common technique.

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 6 September 2014 13:08 (five years ago) link

Heh I stand outgunned.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:20 (five years ago) link

can u explain that to someone who like knows jquery

lag∞n, Saturday, 6 September 2014 15:47 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/509410066857201664

caek, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:17 (five years ago) link

i love @pinboard

lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 19:18 (five years ago) link

srsly

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:14 (five years ago) link

when he clowns the people who bought delicious I giggle

⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 21:34 (five years ago) link

the youtube dudes, right? chad hurley and whoever?

markers, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:14 (five years ago) link

idk man but I googled this
http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/delicious

⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:32 (five years ago) link

pharrell? xp

lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:56 (five years ago) link

i think that's it

markers, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:09 (five years ago) link

oh god dude is already talking like he's a watch expert

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 03:11 (five years ago) link

its too bad he didnt have any time to get into watches and now he just has to think the apple watch is the best

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 03:16 (five years ago) link

A few days into testing the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus, I accidentally left my personal iPhone 5S on a desk next to the iPhone 6 Plus. While my back was turned, the Plus tried to eat my 5S. It’s a monster.

cant tell if serious..

I kid, but only sort of.

oh

diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:45 (five years ago) link

Only sort of kidding that his demo phone is an actual living breathing monster

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 16:56 (five years ago) link

now im scared, great

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:06 (five years ago) link

It’s been a while since I used a rounded iPhone. It’s nice. With the iPhone 6, I’ve found myself reverting to a habit I formed back in 2007 with the original iPhone: slowly spinning it around in my hand, over and over, side over side, like one of those “worry stones” that were popular back in the 1990s. It just feels nice in your hand. (The 6 Plus is too big for me to do this with.)

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:13 (five years ago) link

Ah, but then there’s The Bulge. Both iPhone 6 models have a camera lens that protrudes from the back of the phone. It’s noticeable, and, let’s face it, a little gross. But this was foreseeable given that the presciently-designed iPod Touch from two years ago had one too. (The iPod Touch is just 6.1mm thick, thinner even than the iPhone 6.) This is a conflict with the laws of physics: image quality improves when the lens is further away from the sensor (which allows for physically larger sensors), but devices feel better in hand and weigh less when they are thinner. Apple’s only options for the iPhone 6:

Use a camera with worse optics that would sit flush with the rest of the case.

Make the entirely device thicker to sit flush with the camera lens.

Allow the camera lens to protrude from the back of the camera.

The first choice is unacceptable. Image quality is too important to allow it to suffer — and Apple certainly couldn’t allow image quality on the iPhone 6 to be worse than on the 5S. So the choice was between #2 and #3, and as a fan of smaller thinner devices, I can’t say I disagree with Apple’s decision to go with #3. It’s reasonable to argue that the iPhone 6 would have been better if Apple had gone with #2 (and filled the additional volume with a slightly thicker battery), but that’s not really Apple-like.

omg why didnt they do this drives me fn nuts mane

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:21 (five years ago) link

they did it to drive you nuts iirc

⌘-B (mh), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:31 (five years ago) link

They could have made the camera thinner if they went super wide angle, and then used post processing to fix the image / crop

, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:33 (five years ago) link

omg why didnt they do this drives me fn nuts mane

― lag∞n, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:21 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know!!

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:51 (five years ago) link

They could have made the camera thinner if they went super wide angle, and then used post processing to fix the image / crop

― 龜, Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:33 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jony ive, browsing ilx, facepalms

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:51 (five years ago) link

cropping does not have the same effect as a longer lens tho, iphone lens already way too fn wide imho impossible to take pictures of anything far away

lag∞n, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:55 (five years ago) link

There are probably too many DSLR purist freaks on the design team to ever go for a flat solution tho

, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 17:59 (five years ago) link

the watch post...

what kind of monster is he?

caek, Thursday, 18 September 2014 10:18 (five years ago) link

I seriously had a dream this morning that he posted something with some vaguely rape-apologist elements and then Jason Kottke called him out on it, so I should probably get better dreams and spend less time thinking about John Gruber.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:24 (five years ago) link

lmao otm

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

that is an incredible internet dream tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 18 September 2014 15:26 (five years ago) link

$80 for a steel watch band is a “hefty price”. That’s adorable.

fuck you, basically

ugh (lukas), Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:21 (five years ago) link

Well, if you're pulling down something like $260k a year mainly posting links and the occasional longform article, $80 is adorable.

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Thursday, 18 September 2014 16:31 (five years ago) link

lmao

lag∞n, Sunday, 21 September 2014 16:52 (five years ago) link


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