Rock Albums People Who Don't Love Rock Like

That's to do with Johnny Greenwood's work with classical musicians as well.

This is a disease in writing about contemporary classical music: Zappa, and so much prog, Pink Flloyd are other examples of this.

Although its more complicated: certainly in the UK a lot of people in contemporary classcial would like Radiohead but also find Portishead (and tri-hop) really great. xp

I nominate the first Boston album and probably the second one

― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

First two Boston albums a given, but you forgot another famous band from Boston: Extreme - Pornograffiti.

It's amazing how many Paula Abdul fans accidentally bought that one for "Decadence Dance".

You need to have a v narrow def of rock to ask this question. I imagine 'rock' here would mean something like white bread classic rock and beatles/stones, mostly male blues-based rock only.

However so-called rock has undergone so many mutations with all kinds of music it would be v hard to find someone that disliked all of those mutations.

It's less about rock mutating than the pre-baby boom generation dying off. In 2014 even senior citizens grew up w/rock & roll whereas back in the day there was a real generational divide about rock (perhaps like rap). So Sgt Pepper is the choice that resonates here, at least w/me. My parents didn't like rock at all in the late 60s (tho my dad loved Hank Williams et al) until the Beatles came out w/ Yesterday and they were all like "hey this stuff is actual music." Typical reaction.

My uncle, a culturally adventurous but politically conservative English prof in his late 40s, bought Sgt Pepper & Magical Mystery Tour upon release because he'd read about em and passed them on to ten-year old me after a few listens. I was like, score! Bet he wasn't the only one.

Token rock album

I won't say it's an affectation for people born post WW2 to dislike rock but it's pretty rare.

In the UK there's a specific strain of dance music, EDM or what have you, that seems to appeal to casual middle-aged listeners. I'm sort of semi-surprised how many people in their early-40s come up and request things like Disclosure or Rudimental when I'm playing casual DJ sets in pubs/social gatherings. But then like m coleman says, these are probably all ex-ravers who were dancing in the late-80s and to their children, the notion of 'rock' music is probably a quaint relic from their grandparents' days.

I'm surprised music professor above doesn't like Curtis Mayfield. Seems to me if you like only one thing, you'll seek out others like it.

i don't like rock music and the only albums itt that i like are:

ASHLEE SIMPSON - I AM ME

― prolego, Sunday, September 7, 2014 7:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Actually everything in the Hole lineage - Ashlee, Paramore, Sky

― prolego, Sunday, September 7, 2014 7:33 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also, yeah yeah yeahs

I don't know what kind of music Ashlee Simpson makes but you like PJ Harvey lex, so you like rock music to some extents.

I'm a "rocker", but I know lots of people who don't like rock - people besides "squares", I mean. I think it's probably common in cities?Also a lot of people I've encountered who like lounge and orchestral reject most rock unless it is stuff like The Moody Blues. Also alt / electronic types who only like Eno?

I don't know what kind of music Ashlee Simpson makes

― monoprix à dimanche (dog latin), Monday, September 8, 2014 11:52 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're always going on about how you want recommendations right? ashlee simpson's discography, in chronological order, go.

Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming

Oh that reminds me, I remember some Wu-Tang interview - RZA maybe? - from the 1990s where he said he was enjoying Blues Traveler's Four.

Well, he probably doesn't count as a guy who doesn't like rock, but Blues Traveler's Four regardless.

Maybe some Big Head Todd and the Monsters or something. I mean, even if you didn't like rock back in 94, we all went to H.O.R.D.E.

trying to decide which Dead album belongs here, but it's probably more like a shoebox full of cassette tapes

What a bizarre kind of question. Because what kind of "non-rock fans" are we talking about?

Westerners who "only listen to Classical music" and don't like anything modern, rock or pop or whatever?
People who live in other countries with entire pop cultures of their own?
Kids who listen to pop, but not rock?
People who listen to hip-hop, or country, or dance, or literally any of the billion other genres which are not rock?

"non rock fans" is just such a weird conceit because it posits rock so centrally in this bizarro-ILM inversion.

I'm confused. Deeply. By this thread.

― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Sunday, September 7, 2014 3:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otfm

well, it is a sort of parody thread of the other thread which didn't make a lot of sense either so...

What would the post-2000 answer to this question be?
American Idiot?

Like, people who love non-rock and like rock don't like, love rock, what rock albums those people like.

^ ilm pre-covers the next Blur single

Dave Matthews Band

Cat Empire

Hole
Queen
Black Sabbath
The Who
The Rolling Stones

and that's all.

"yeah, Radiohead are sort of the highbrow listener's rock band of choice"

the definition of the word "highbrow" has changed over the years...

It's totally relative. Depends entirely on the "listeners" demographic you're talking about.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/0469d218-6c41-476a-b9e0-0d8e7bc47e41_zpsa01e34c0.jpg

i just think of teens and college kids when i think of radiohead listeners. but, yeah, they can be highbrow too, i guess.

more high than brow

i just think of teens and college kids when i think of radiohead listeners. but, yeah, they can be highbrow too, i guess.

― scott seward, Monday, September 8, 2014 1:06 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Than yeah, if you compiled all of the music teens and college kids listen to I'd bet Radiohead is relatively on the highbrow end of that particular spectrum, proportionately.

teens 20 years ago can be middle aged high brow now

A tenure-track music theorist I know, a rising star in the field, is currently working on a book on Radiohead. His article "Kid Algebra: Radiohead's Euclidean and Maximally Even Rhythms" is forthcoming in Perspectives in New Music.

He talks in maths.

can we spend some time on this thread talking about how Chester Bennington is now singing with Stone Temple Pilots or is that too much of a digression

thread's got nothing else going on tbf

Radiohead seem to crop up in 'classical music is not just for squares' type pieces in broadsheets where people make the case for contemporary classical music, I don't know to what extent they are rock music that contemporary classical stans like or if they want some of Radiohead's rock 'n' roll glamour to rub off on them (Radiohead possessing rock 'n' roll glamour seems odd idea, but I get the impression people writing these articles think they do?)

i actually sold radiohead CDs to an old classical guy! he bought ligeti and some other classical and radiohead. maybe they heard that steve reich was a fan.

too bad steve reich's radiohead tribute is so limp

maybe it isn't a tribute

That'll be the radiohead xp

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the only people i know that turn their noses up at rock are classical ppl. i think they make exceptions for more NPR-ish stuff and karaoke "guilty pleasures."

they pooh-pooh all the "hipster" music i'm into but they get super jazzed up for disney soundtracks.

glad to learn the term "maximally even rhythms" to describe a thing i have been thinking about

it's weird -- i know music fans that are into really out-there experimental stuff, and even they ride hard for zz top and early van halen. the jazz guys like rock, the folk guys like rock (newport was a long time ago). it's only the classical people that are all "eww" about it -- unless it's some new amsterdam crossover act that the new york times approves of, and those acts are never guitar-centric.

so everyone is by default a rock fan..? reminds me of that old Momus blog post about how literally everyone in America wears jeans

Lex likes QOTSA and Sonic Youth?

it was pretty obvious this thread would be bad the minute everyone ignored non-rock fans bringing up ashlee simpson

xp i don't especially like sonic youth and i like one QOTSA song

The idea that Paramore Ashlee et al are in the lineage of Hole is a strange concept that I don't get at all

Try as I might, I still can't help but feel that at this stage the 'All rock music is essentially the same' opinion is as much of a challop as 'all jazz music is the same' or 'all dance music is the same' or 'all Chinese people look the same'. It reminds me of when my dad used to tell me that Mortal Kombat and Streetfighter II were essentially the same game, and 13 y/o me just couldn't work it out until I lost interest in video games and they all started to look exactly like variations on 'man with gun, runs round maze, shoots baddies'. If you distance yourself from something enough, it's all going to blur into one. Spend enough time with it and those narcissistic differences become cavernous. And yeah, I don't think it's possible or fair to separate physical sonics from the intent behind them. You may as well be saying 'all paintings are the same because it's paint on a canvas' as far as I'm concerned.

xp: Heh, I got all three Ashlee albums out from my library based on lex's "part of the lineage from hole to paramore" post and it felt like the time xhuck eddy convinced me to buy a Foghat album.

Not "the same" but not functionally different enough for lines and swords to be drawn

it's really the second album where ashlee really sounds like she's channelling the courtney rasp (rather than just her confessionalism)

xpost, but can you see why someone might LOVE Faith No More and really dislike the Chili Peppers, for example?

My favourite Hole song is that comp version of "Olympia" where Courtney overdubbed her rasp 20 times. (Seriously) I'd love to pass that track to Ashlee

xp of course yes, I was specifically referring to the ""vast gulf"" between Wolfmother and any other song I hear on classic rock radio

Try as I might, I still can't help but feel that at this stage the 'All rock music is essentially the same' opinion is as much of a challop as 'all jazz music is the same' or 'all dance music is the same' or 'all Chinese people look the same'. It reminds me of when my dad used to tell me that Mortal Kombat and Streetfighter II were essentially the same game

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i think a lot of the time the reason bands like Wolfmother suck is because they produce a recycled version of a 40-year-old idea without improving on it in any way whatsoever.

That is completely irrelevant if you don't think the 40-year old idea was any good in the first place though.

fine you don't have to like Led Zep, of course, but that's where the line in the sand comes from, and it does boil down to historical context and intent as with all art and music.

"The sound of rock music makes me feel like I want to see civilization crumble and fail" is what I'm saying.

Isn't that what it sounds like to good rockers too?