I HATE APPLE

you're texting on your computer, of course it's going to be messy! when you fly to close to the sun you get burned, iirc

system-wide standard iCloud auth widget would be the preferred way to do it, in addition to the service that runs in the background that throws up the annoying prompts

Yeah, at one point I thought: "There must be a system-wide thing for iCloud – I know: I'll go up to the Apple menu and see if it's there. Nope. Just 'the other sort of login'.

yeah iMessage is great while it is working and staying in sync, and infuriating the times that it's not

While I'm on the subject of terrible Apple UI, have you ever used Image Capture? For a while my MacBook was set for it to open automatically when connected to my iPhone.

How to stop this happening? At a loss to think of a system-wide setting for how to handle iPhones when connected, I searched within Image Capture itself. I was on the point of giving up when I noticed a tiny triangle in a box on the bottom left corner. Click on it and you get the options for what application (or none) should open.

http://i.imgur.com/TT6s6oY.png

one of the things i hate about apple is that they don't seem to understand their own question "do not ask me again".

TBF, Image Capture is still the best general purpose free scanning app.

ya i use it to scan, also get the pictures off my iphone

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idk I'm into it

everyone saying apple out of their zone w this watch otm

I'll take the other side of that bet

well they could be outside their zone and be successful with it or they could be outside their zone and fail so not sure what youre so amped to bet on, fwiw most people noting that this is a leap into uncharted territory seem pretty confident of their success but i have my doubts

communing with fashion people is of course the perfect symbol for how theyre trying to go somewhere theyve never been

One thing I do fucking hate, speaking of fashion, is iphone cases. I bought one, because my toddler fucks with my phone all the time, but it's so gimpy looking compared to the simple elegance of the phone, even the minimal profile "slim" case I bought.

yah case suck

its funny apple puts all this effort into making the thing so slim them half of everyone puts this fat ass cover over it

I think people will want the watch because it's nice-looking and then they will discover that it does all kinds of things they never even knew they wanted, just like with the ipad and iphone. At the same time, I'd admit that crossing tech and fashion is p much ALWAYS hairy if you're aiming at people who really care about style.

haven't used a case in a couple years but i don't really go anywhere or do anything so minimal risk xp

My case literally adds like 1-2 mm, but it still annoys me. The people who buy those otterbox cases though, might as well just wear sweatpants to work.

the thing that makes me suspicious of the watch is i doubt its gonna be able to do enough things a phone cant do to make people want it, like a smart phone was going from having no computer on your person at all times to having one which is pretty revolutionary, the watch is going from having a computer in your pocket to having a client for that computer on your wrist, its the sort of thing that will drive tech visionaries in to conniptions speculating on all the future applications (see google glass) but fails to account for the very basic fact of proximity of a very similar device, the watch will prob do some cool stuff but it doesnt feel vital enough to be a smash hit

The Serious Apple thread never really took off, so I'll repost what I said there.

As for the watch, I'm not sure that Apple knows what it created. I kept thinking of the iPad's lousy introduction - a Stevenote nonetheless - with the same endless parade of enterprise bulletpoints: spreadsheets, word processing, blah blah that tech companies from that era still feel the need to address. The paradigm feels old-fashioned and something an executive board of middle-agers would come up with. Once the iPad got out into the wild and folks started creating things that Apple couldn't have anticipated and more importantly - could only be done on an iPad, Apple's fearsome one-two of marketing and whitewashing quickly pivoted.

I suspect the same will happen with the watch. Once it's out there, it may just become a credible device after it's next revision and especially after it's inevitably jailbroken. Otherwise, I feel that Apple is telling me that there is so much activity taking place on my phone that I need a remote for it.

One issue. I don't wear a watch.

And that's ultimately the fate of the entire wearables market. I think it caters to a certain demographic that:
- needs something to tell them what to do
- responds easily to gamification. "I have more friends/burned off more calories than yesterday"
- lives in an area where it's actually the future and not the 85% of the planet where it's still 1975.
- is OK with wearing a watch, Google glasses, etc.

I don't know how much of a niche that market is now and how much that market will be distorted by the watch's presence. Who wants to bet me that within 12 months after the watches ship, a major health insurance company will offer a discount on premiums if you agree to wear one 24-7?

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, September 22, 2014 8:25 PM (1 week ago)

I use a case because the phone is so slippery. Not really for protection otherwise.

i got oily fingers and i'm a klutz. i said it

apart from iphone6 being the least innovative $800 thing to ever hit the shelves, I'm most surprised at how damn ugly the thing is. They've really lost their way. I never thought Apple would make something look so tacky and cheap.

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― calstars, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:58 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's the quatre part of the equation that bodes most ill: Mark Newson. Seriously, Ugh. His stuff was already looking dated when wallpaper* magazine started up.

he has a cutesy curviness to designs that I think balances well against Ive

his designs are ugly as heck imo

all this just continues to show how important Jobs was because non of these guys seem to have any idea without him. Marc Newson? Honestly? Its all so uninspiring and regressive. iphone 6 is a mess to look at. nobody in tech seems to ever have a clue about good aesthetics and that doesn't seem to be stopping, possibly getting more so.

Jobs had Philippe Starck design a boat

I actually like about 1/3 of that dude's stuff, but, a boat.

lol

imo its possible to get too focused on aesthetics if ios works better than android apple is doing good, if they continue to push their advantage of integrated hardware and software theyll stay on top even if no one buys their watch

a lots been made abt how theyre trying to get into the physical shopping experience which prob people will use some but i dont think will cause anyone to stop carrying their wallets but its weird no ones talking abt what i do think will be revolutionary abt it is shopping online, people been using their phones more and more but they dont shop that much with them partially because its a pain to put all yr infos in there and partially cause ecommerce sites havent really figured out how to design for mobile in a way that works particularly for what theyre trying to do but if u can just touch yr thumb to yr phone to pay that fixes the first part of the experience

btw i do think the rounded back of the 6 is a better design from an ergonomics perspective than the hard corners if the 4-5 now if theyd just make a small one, my fav device of the whole line as far as how nice it was to have in yr hand was the old itouch

I think I've favorably compared this sucker to my first-gen ipod touch about fifty times now

btw the apple-made cases really are very nice

I'm almost on board in saying the apple watch will flop for the many excellent reasons already listed above, but I can't help remembering things like how people complained about how tiny the iPhone keyboard was for their giant sausage fingers and lol, an iPad, like a big ol' MaxiPad? Get real.

but if u can just touch yr thumb to yr phone to pay that fixes the first part of the experience

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 13:41 (17 minutes ago) Permalink

This is kind of a key point for me -- what Apple is often really good at is just making an already possible thing smoother and easier enough that a thing you wouldn't have bothered to do before now seems natural. E.g. the touch ID thing itself seemed silly to me at first (what's the big deal about punching four digits?) but then when I saw how smoothly it works on the 6 (at least a lot of the time) I came to really like doing it -- if you master taking your phone out the right way it's practically automatic. If payments worked like that I think a LOT of people would use it -- just wave your phone like a wand and you're paid. And then if the watch made it even easier, like you don't even have to reach into your pockets/bag, people would adopt that.

As far as the watch itself, I think it might take a couple gens to be widely adopted. At first it's definitely going to be hard for most people, even the typical apple customer, to justify spending another $350 or more on what seems like a fancy phone accessory. But the tablet also seemed extravagant and extraneous at first.

And you have to figure that people could be using the watch not just to pay, but to swipe at the gym, get into their hi-tech apartments, get through security at work, etc. These are all in that category of things imo where people might resist adopting it, but if Apple can make the experience feel good and smooth and breezy then people will want to do it.

I know a lot of companies don't have their corporate iPhones allowing touch id instead of a passcode, but that is changing pretty quickly. Corporate network policies usually mean you're not using the four-digit passcode but a much longer one, too

what I'm saying is that four digit passcode is weak shit and the future is passphrases and touch id

I heard something I forget where about a possible future iphone feature allowing bifurcation, so that you could have certain parts of the phone on enterprise and certain parts not. That would appeal to me -- I opted out of having my phone hooked into work bc I don't want to give them access to all my shit.

fwiw I like the aesthetics of the phone itself - the black one anyway. Kind of 2001 monolith. The 4s was admittedly a better looking phone, but this one is an improvement on the 5 imo.

Fingerprints in the cloud, y'all. Fingerprints in the cloud.

same here, I figure if they want me to get work email on my phone they can give me a work phone

pplains, the fingerprint info doesn't leave the phone! the association is all local, not even stored in the main memory, if they're telling the truth

Corporate iPhones will have them then. More worried about those guys than the government who can't figure out how to keep the president from riding in an elevator with an armed felon.

When I worked at my last job, we used the little key fobs to get in and out of the building, studios, etc.

Engineering wanted to replace those slots with fingerprint recognition devices. Me and one other guy raised hell about it, and they abandoned the idea.

Other guy posts a bunch of tea party stuff to his Facebook now. Hate it when I get fenced in with those guys.

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Posted: October 1, 2014 at 10:07:14 AM
And you have to figure that people could be using the watch not just to pay, but to swipe at the gym, get into their hi-tech apartments, get through security at work, etc. These are all in that category of things imo where people might resist adopting it, but if Apple can make the experience feel good and smooth and breezy then people will want to do it.

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

The way it works is the fingerprint info, however it works, is only on that phone and locked away by the processor that does the fingerprint analysis. It has an association between a validated print and your passphrase or w/e, so it only really links to your passphrase or four digit PIN, whichever you use. I'd imagine they're encrypting payment info with that unlock token as the key.

The only thing the corporate provisioning will do is create an authorization for certain actions on the phone like remote wiping. No real secrets, there, you can download the tool and set up your own profiles.

I'd agree that fingerprint id to get into a building is bad, because in that case they obviously have your prints

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:26 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree, but a lot of these things don't feel like an imposition until there's an even easier way to do it (I think of it like the browsing speed effect -- the web seemed fast enough but then faster speeds came along and made it painful to wait a few seconds for a page to load). Obviously there's some sweet spot they'd have to hit with battery life, charging etc. before it becomes less of a pain in the ass to use the watch than not. I mean Apple doesn't "solve problems" -- they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem. I already get annoyed now when I have to enter my passcode bc the fingerprint didn't work or I just restarted my phone.