I HATE APPLE

apart from iphone6 being the least innovative $800 thing to ever hit the shelves, I'm most surprised at how damn ugly the thing is. They've really lost their way. I never thought Apple would make something look so tacky and cheap.

This Lagerfeld Wintour Ive menage a trois signals the jumping of the shark

― calstars, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 1:58 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's the quatre part of the equation that bodes most ill: Mark Newson. Seriously, Ugh. His stuff was already looking dated when wallpaper* magazine started up.

he has a cutesy curviness to designs that I think balances well against Ive

his designs are ugly as heck imo

all this just continues to show how important Jobs was because non of these guys seem to have any idea without him. Marc Newson? Honestly? Its all so uninspiring and regressive. iphone 6 is a mess to look at. nobody in tech seems to ever have a clue about good aesthetics and that doesn't seem to be stopping, possibly getting more so.

Jobs had Philippe Starck design a boat

I actually like about 1/3 of that dude's stuff, but, a boat.

lol

imo its possible to get too focused on aesthetics if ios works better than android apple is doing good, if they continue to push their advantage of integrated hardware and software theyll stay on top even if no one buys their watch

a lots been made abt how theyre trying to get into the physical shopping experience which prob people will use some but i dont think will cause anyone to stop carrying their wallets but its weird no ones talking abt what i do think will be revolutionary abt it is shopping online, people been using their phones more and more but they dont shop that much with them partially because its a pain to put all yr infos in there and partially cause ecommerce sites havent really figured out how to design for mobile in a way that works particularly for what theyre trying to do but if u can just touch yr thumb to yr phone to pay that fixes the first part of the experience

btw i do think the rounded back of the 6 is a better design from an ergonomics perspective than the hard corners if the 4-5 now if theyd just make a small one, my fav device of the whole line as far as how nice it was to have in yr hand was the old itouch

I think I've favorably compared this sucker to my first-gen ipod touch about fifty times now

btw the apple-made cases really are very nice

I'm almost on board in saying the apple watch will flop for the many excellent reasons already listed above, but I can't help remembering things like how people complained about how tiny the iPhone keyboard was for their giant sausage fingers and lol, an iPad, like a big ol' MaxiPad? Get real.

but if u can just touch yr thumb to yr phone to pay that fixes the first part of the experience

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 13:41 (17 minutes ago) Permalink

This is kind of a key point for me -- what Apple is often really good at is just making an already possible thing smoother and easier enough that a thing you wouldn't have bothered to do before now seems natural. E.g. the touch ID thing itself seemed silly to me at first (what's the big deal about punching four digits?) but then when I saw how smoothly it works on the 6 (at least a lot of the time) I came to really like doing it -- if you master taking your phone out the right way it's practically automatic. If payments worked like that I think a LOT of people would use it -- just wave your phone like a wand and you're paid. And then if the watch made it even easier, like you don't even have to reach into your pockets/bag, people would adopt that.

As far as the watch itself, I think it might take a couple gens to be widely adopted. At first it's definitely going to be hard for most people, even the typical apple customer, to justify spending another $350 or more on what seems like a fancy phone accessory. But the tablet also seemed extravagant and extraneous at first.

And you have to figure that people could be using the watch not just to pay, but to swipe at the gym, get into their hi-tech apartments, get through security at work, etc. These are all in that category of things imo where people might resist adopting it, but if Apple can make the experience feel good and smooth and breezy then people will want to do it.

I know a lot of companies don't have their corporate iPhones allowing touch id instead of a passcode, but that is changing pretty quickly. Corporate network policies usually mean you're not using the four-digit passcode but a much longer one, too

what I'm saying is that four digit passcode is weak shit and the future is passphrases and touch id

I heard something I forget where about a possible future iphone feature allowing bifurcation, so that you could have certain parts of the phone on enterprise and certain parts not. That would appeal to me -- I opted out of having my phone hooked into work bc I don't want to give them access to all my shit.

fwiw I like the aesthetics of the phone itself - the black one anyway. Kind of 2001 monolith. The 4s was admittedly a better looking phone, but this one is an improvement on the 5 imo.

Fingerprints in the cloud, y'all. Fingerprints in the cloud.

same here, I figure if they want me to get work email on my phone they can give me a work phone

pplains, the fingerprint info doesn't leave the phone! the association is all local, not even stored in the main memory, if they're telling the truth

Corporate iPhones will have them then. More worried about those guys than the government who can't figure out how to keep the president from riding in an elevator with an armed felon.

When I worked at my last job, we used the little key fobs to get in and out of the building, studios, etc.

Engineering wanted to replace those slots with fingerprint recognition devices. Me and one other guy raised hell about it, and they abandoned the idea.

Other guy posts a bunch of tea party stuff to his Facebook now. Hate it when I get fenced in with those guys.

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Posted: October 1, 2014 at 10:07:14 AM
And you have to figure that people could be using the watch not just to pay, but to swipe at the gym, get into their hi-tech apartments, get through security at work, etc. These are all in that category of things imo where people might resist adopting it, but if Apple can make the experience feel good and smooth and breezy then people will want to do it.

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

The way it works is the fingerprint info, however it works, is only on that phone and locked away by the processor that does the fingerprint analysis. It has an association between a validated print and your passphrase or w/e, so it only really links to your passphrase or four digit PIN, whichever you use. I'd imagine they're encrypting payment info with that unlock token as the key.

The only thing the corporate provisioning will do is create an authorization for certain actions on the phone like remote wiping. No real secrets, there, you can download the tool and set up your own profiles.

I'd agree that fingerprint id to get into a building is bad, because in that case they obviously have your prints

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:26 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree, but a lot of these things don't feel like an imposition until there's an even easier way to do it (I think of it like the browsing speed effect -- the web seemed fast enough but then faster speeds came along and made it painful to wait a few seconds for a page to load). Obviously there's some sweet spot they'd have to hit with battery life, charging etc. before it becomes less of a pain in the ass to use the watch than not. I mean Apple doesn't "solve problems" -- they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem. I already get annoyed now when I have to enter my passcode bc the fingerprint didn't work or I just restarted my phone.

imo u r conflating two unlike things, the digital/mechanical world is complex and unnatural and benefits greatly from simplification, the physical/natural world is simple an intuitive, no one ever needs instructions to get something out of their pocket it doesn't need to be hacked even small children can do it theres no cognitive load, this is all w/o even considering the benefits of having yr phones default state be "put away" which imo are great

There are gyroscopic or whatever watches that are self-powered by your movements, right? I think anything you're going to wear on a daily basis needs to be like that, ideally.

yeah, always loved that tech

xp there are also benefits of not having to hold something in your hand though, i.e. having both hands free while you check directions, check the weather, look at your text message, etc. I think having a toddler makes me a lot more aware of this.

Come to think of it, would also be cool to have a thing my toddler isn't going to ask me for whenever I use it/take it out.

your hand is of course is not free when using a watch

also i bet u never buy one

one use case for the big phone/watch combo http://www.vox.com/2014/9/25/6843781/iphone-6-plus-apple-watch-future

doesnt take into consideration the need for a bag for yr big phone

Def not buying first gen, but could see myself getting one eventually. If it was like a $50 accessory I'd probably buy it in a second.

Don't want to beat this to death, but there are definitely differences between having something on your wrist that you might need a finger to operate (assuming siri isn't so good by then that you're doing most tasks by voice) and having something occupying your hand that you need to actually put down/away.

I hope this thing doesn't become mandatory, I hate wearing stuff on my wrist.

there are differences but are they difference makers is the question

also do people want to use voice as their primary interface? its not private at all

also this thing will never be close to $50

All fair questions, but Apple's track record of confounding these sorts of questions makes me continue to think the odds are the watch will be a success.

bad assumption imho, better to judge the merits, its not like apple has never put out an underwhelming/failed product before, btw think back to the ipad rumors/launch who was the most bullish it was me

tho we have no idea what apple would consider a success w this thing, like you have to have an iphone to use it, will that always be the case, quite possibly due to os/software/hardware integration issues, so your prospective market is limited to iphone owners, if 10% of iphone owners bought this watch wld they be happy, maybe but then is that enough for people to want to make apps for it to unlock all its magical potential idk

will the ugly watches be success? You couldn't have noticed people who use apple products don't think for themselves anymore, if apple tells them its a good idea, it is.

as lagoon said, they've buried enough failures to prove that's not the case

reminder they don't pay any taxes and sit on 100bn cash reserves and their factories have suicide nets installed.

i believe u are real

they literally pay no taxes lol

yeah the corporate tax code is super fd up and every big company takes advantage of it

the thing ur talking abt is only on business done in other countries fwiw

tax rate of 0.06% globally then they overcharge you by half to buy their inflated products as a fashion symbol made by someone paid $100 a month lol they literally hate you