I HATE APPLE

pplains, the fingerprint info doesn't leave the phone! the association is all local, not even stored in the main memory, if they're telling the truth

Corporate iPhones will have them then. More worried about those guys than the government who can't figure out how to keep the president from riding in an elevator with an armed felon.

When I worked at my last job, we used the little key fobs to get in and out of the building, studios, etc.

Engineering wanted to replace those slots with fingerprint recognition devices. Me and one other guy raised hell about it, and they abandoned the idea.

Other guy posts a bunch of tea party stuff to his Facebook now. Hate it when I get fenced in with those guys.

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Posted: October 1, 2014 at 10:07:14 AM
And you have to figure that people could be using the watch not just to pay, but to swipe at the gym, get into their hi-tech apartments, get through security at work, etc. These are all in that category of things imo where people might resist adopting it, but if Apple can make the experience feel good and smooth and breezy then people will want to do it.

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

The way it works is the fingerprint info, however it works, is only on that phone and locked away by the processor that does the fingerprint analysis. It has an association between a validated print and your passphrase or w/e, so it only really links to your passphrase or four digit PIN, whichever you use. I'd imagine they're encrypting payment info with that unlock token as the key.

The only thing the corporate provisioning will do is create an authorization for certain actions on the phone like remote wiping. No real secrets, there, you can download the tool and set up your own profiles.

I'd agree that fingerprint id to get into a building is bad, because in that case they obviously have your prints

all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day

― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:26 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree, but a lot of these things don't feel like an imposition until there's an even easier way to do it (I think of it like the browsing speed effect -- the web seemed fast enough but then faster speeds came along and made it painful to wait a few seconds for a page to load). Obviously there's some sweet spot they'd have to hit with battery life, charging etc. before it becomes less of a pain in the ass to use the watch than not. I mean Apple doesn't "solve problems" -- they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem. I already get annoyed now when I have to enter my passcode bc the fingerprint didn't work or I just restarted my phone.

imo u r conflating two unlike things, the digital/mechanical world is complex and unnatural and benefits greatly from simplification, the physical/natural world is simple an intuitive, no one ever needs instructions to get something out of their pocket it doesn't need to be hacked even small children can do it theres no cognitive load, this is all w/o even considering the benefits of having yr phones default state be "put away" which imo are great

There are gyroscopic or whatever watches that are self-powered by your movements, right? I think anything you're going to wear on a daily basis needs to be like that, ideally.

yeah, always loved that tech

xp there are also benefits of not having to hold something in your hand though, i.e. having both hands free while you check directions, check the weather, look at your text message, etc. I think having a toddler makes me a lot more aware of this.

Come to think of it, would also be cool to have a thing my toddler isn't going to ask me for whenever I use it/take it out.

your hand is of course is not free when using a watch

also i bet u never buy one

one use case for the big phone/watch combo http://www.vox.com/2014/9/25/6843781/iphone-6-plus-apple-watch-future

doesnt take into consideration the need for a bag for yr big phone

Def not buying first gen, but could see myself getting one eventually. If it was like a $50 accessory I'd probably buy it in a second.

Don't want to beat this to death, but there are definitely differences between having something on your wrist that you might need a finger to operate (assuming siri isn't so good by then that you're doing most tasks by voice) and having something occupying your hand that you need to actually put down/away.

I hope this thing doesn't become mandatory, I hate wearing stuff on my wrist.

there are differences but are they difference makers is the question

also do people want to use voice as their primary interface? its not private at all

also this thing will never be close to $50

All fair questions, but Apple's track record of confounding these sorts of questions makes me continue to think the odds are the watch will be a success.

bad assumption imho, better to judge the merits, its not like apple has never put out an underwhelming/failed product before, btw think back to the ipad rumors/launch who was the most bullish it was me

tho we have no idea what apple would consider a success w this thing, like you have to have an iphone to use it, will that always be the case, quite possibly due to os/software/hardware integration issues, so your prospective market is limited to iphone owners, if 10% of iphone owners bought this watch wld they be happy, maybe but then is that enough for people to want to make apps for it to unlock all its magical potential idk

will the ugly watches be success? You couldn't have noticed people who use apple products don't think for themselves anymore, if apple tells them its a good idea, it is.

as lagoon said, they've buried enough failures to prove that's not the case

reminder they don't pay any taxes and sit on 100bn cash reserves and their factories have suicide nets installed.

i believe u are real

they literally pay no taxes lol

yeah the corporate tax code is super fd up and every big company takes advantage of it

the thing ur talking abt is only on business done in other countries fwiw

tax rate of 0.06% globally then they overcharge you by half to buy their inflated products as a fashion symbol made by someone paid $100 a month lol they literally hate you

cankles is that u

Suicide nets around ilx

fine line between a suicide net and a trampoline

Your sock voice is crumbling

What is the best jailbreak software? I am wanting to liberate an ipad air have been told Cydia is good for that task.

Pangu

"they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem"

hate this... most things are fine, stop making new things. shut down world production of things. let's depopulate and go to sleep.

that's harsh, but I'm pretty tired of people making new things

neutron bombs for everybody!

twilight twilight nihil nihil

I completely fucked up my jailbreak attempt! It didn't work properly the first time and after a system restore I misread an instruction about updating firmware and accidentally updated to iOS 8.0.2 which isn't currently jailbroken and apple have stopped allowing downgrades to 7.1.2. Fuck this shit >:(

why do u want to jailbreak

Because I Hate Apple.

i jail broke my itouch for a while, got some free apps, didnt seem that useful

i guess unless theres some specific thing u need to do

When you have fuck all money free apps are very useful!

apps cost like $1 dollar tho

i mean i dont use a ton of apps theres prob like $3 in apps on my phone rn

prob bought like 2 apps ever that werent games

The Ipad is for my son who has autism and he could potentially click his way through hundreds of these apps without realising the damage which is why I want it jailbroken and with no accounts at all.