The way it works is the fingerprint info, however it works, is only on that phone and locked away by the processor that does the fingerprint analysis. It has an association between a validated print and your passphrase or w/e, so it only really links to your passphrase or four digit PIN, whichever you use. I'd imagine they're encrypting payment info with that unlock token as the key.
The only thing the corporate provisioning will do is create an authorization for certain actions on the phone like remote wiping. No real secrets, there, you can download the tool and set up your own profiles.
I'd agree that fingerprint id to get into a building is bad, because in that case they obviously have your prints
― ⌘-B (mh), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
all this can be done w a phone, imo taking it out of yr pocket is a perfectly natural automatic movement not an imposition at all, certainly much less than remembering and typing four digits, less than charging and strapping a second device to yr wrist every day
― lag∞n, Wednesday, October 1, 2014 10:26 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I agree, but a lot of these things don't feel like an imposition until there's an even easier way to do it (I think of it like the browsing speed effect -- the web seemed fast enough but then faster speeds came along and made it painful to wait a few seconds for a page to load). Obviously there's some sweet spot they'd have to hit with battery life, charging etc. before it becomes less of a pain in the ass to use the watch than not. I mean Apple doesn't "solve problems" -- they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem. I already get annoyed now when I have to enter my passcode bc the fingerprint didn't work or I just restarted my phone.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:31 (nine years ago) link
imo u r conflating two unlike things, the digital/mechanical world is complex and unnatural and benefits greatly from simplification, the physical/natural world is simple an intuitive, no one ever needs instructions to get something out of their pocket it doesn't need to be hacked even small children can do it theres no cognitive load, this is all w/o even considering the benefits of having yr phones default state be "put away" which imo are great
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
There are gyroscopic or whatever watches that are self-powered by your movements, right? I think anything you're going to wear on a daily basis needs to be like that, ideally.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:48 (nine years ago) link
yeah, always loved that tech
― Nhex, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
xp there are also benefits of not having to hold something in your hand though, i.e. having both hands free while you check directions, check the weather, look at your text message, etc. I think having a toddler makes me a lot more aware of this.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
Come to think of it, would also be cool to have a thing my toddler isn't going to ask me for whenever I use it/take it out.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:21 (nine years ago) link
your hand is of course is not free when using a watch
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
also i bet u never buy one
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
one use case for the big phone/watch combo http://www.vox.com/2014/9/25/6843781/iphone-6-plus-apple-watch-future
doesnt take into consideration the need for a bag for yr big phone
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:26 (nine years ago) link
Def not buying first gen, but could see myself getting one eventually. If it was like a $50 accessory I'd probably buy it in a second.
Don't want to beat this to death, but there are definitely differences between having something on your wrist that you might need a finger to operate (assuming siri isn't so good by then that you're doing most tasks by voice) and having something occupying your hand that you need to actually put down/away.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
I hope this thing doesn't become mandatory, I hate wearing stuff on my wrist.
― ugh (lukas), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
there are differences but are they difference makers is the question
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:48 (nine years ago) link
also do people want to use voice as their primary interface? its not private at all
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
also this thing will never be close to $50
All fair questions, but Apple's track record of confounding these sorts of questions makes me continue to think the odds are the watch will be a success.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:52 (nine years ago) link
bad assumption imho, better to judge the merits, its not like apple has never put out an underwhelming/failed product before, btw think back to the ipad rumors/launch who was the most bullish it was me
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
tho we have no idea what apple would consider a success w this thing, like you have to have an iphone to use it, will that always be the case, quite possibly due to os/software/hardware integration issues, so your prospective market is limited to iphone owners, if 10% of iphone owners bought this watch wld they be happy, maybe but then is that enough for people to want to make apps for it to unlock all its magical potential idk
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:03 (nine years ago) link
will the ugly watches be success? You couldn't have noticed people who use apple products don't think for themselves anymore, if apple tells them its a good idea, it is.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:27 (nine years ago) link
as lagoon said, they've buried enough failures to prove that's not the case
― Nhex, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
reminder they don't pay any taxes and sit on 100bn cash reserves and their factories have suicide nets installed.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link
i believe u are real
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
they literally pay no taxes lol
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah the corporate tax code is super fd up and every big company takes advantage of it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
the thing ur talking abt is only on business done in other countries fwiw
tax rate of 0.06% globally then they overcharge you by half to buy their inflated products as a fashion symbol made by someone paid $100 a month lol they literally hate you
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link
cankles is that u
― ⌘-B (mh), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link
Suicide nets around ilx
― chemical aioli (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
fine line between a suicide net and a trampoline
― Raccoon Tanuki, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
Your sock voice is crumbling
― 龜, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
What is the best jailbreak software? I am wanting to liberate an ipad air have been told Cydia is good for that task.
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 09:33 (nine years ago) link
Pangu
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 2 October 2014 12:08 (nine years ago) link
"they create stuff that makes doing things the old way, never a problem before, seem like a problem"
hate this... most things are fine, stop making new things. shut down world production of things. let's depopulate and go to sleep.
― chinavision!, Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:24 (nine years ago) link
that's harsh, but I'm pretty tired of people making new things
― chinavision!, Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:25 (nine years ago) link
neutron bombs for everybody!
― Nhex, Thursday, 2 October 2014 13:48 (nine years ago) link
twilight twilight nihil nihil
― a drug by the name of WORLD WITHOUT END (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 2 October 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
I completely fucked up my jailbreak attempt! It didn't work properly the first time and after a system restore I misread an instruction about updating firmware and accidentally updated to iOS 8.0.2 which isn't currently jailbroken and apple have stopped allowing downgrades to 7.1.2. Fuck this shit >:(
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:26 (nine years ago) link
why do u want to jailbreak
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
Because I Hate Apple.
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:30 (nine years ago) link
i jail broke my itouch for a while, got some free apps, didnt seem that useful
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:35 (nine years ago) link
i guess unless theres some specific thing u need to do
When you have fuck all money free apps are very useful!
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
apps cost like $1 dollar tho
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
i mean i dont use a ton of apps theres prob like $3 in apps on my phone rn
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link
prob bought like 2 apps ever that werent games
The Ipad is for my son who has autism and he could potentially click his way through hundreds of these apps without realising the damage which is why I want it jailbroken and with no accounts at all.
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
ah so
― lag∞n, Thursday, 2 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
ios 8 has family mode where you can require permission to install/change things from someone else. seems useful.
― ⌘-B (mh), Thursday, 2 October 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
I might have to look at that option for now but at some point I want to install a torrented speech/language app that I already paid over £100 for on his ipad2 + can't afford to pay for again. I don't know why I bother with any app's tbh, I spent weeks filling his Nexus7 with apps + games and aside from a brief fruit ninja spell all he wants to do is pursue his inexhaustible enthusiasm for youtube swimming pool/aquarium/water wheel footage.
― xelab, Thursday, 2 October 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
no snark: you should start an ilx thread for youtube swimming pool/aquarium/water wheel footage
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 2 October 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link