thread of getting sw0le

Does anyone have any opinions on/experience with intermittent fasting? I mean, does it actually do anything, or is it just another broscience fad? I kind of like the convenience of not having to bother with breakfast, and haven't really noticed any drop in energy doing all of my exercise fasted, but it seems like this has the potential to be a huge mistake. For what it's worth I'm trying to lose as much weight as possible (in a healthy way, I mean, not just starving myself) without worrying about gaining muscle for the time being- partly to make rock climbing and bodyweight workouts easier, but mostly because the last 18 months or so of concentrating mostly on weight training over cardio I've bulked up quite a bit more than is usual for me and it just feels weird and awkward.

back to protein for a minute
i think moving up protein intake is about protein feeding muscle growth but also changing the ratio of macronutrients so protein makes up more of the pie
because protein / protein+fat isn't going to be stored as fat and will improve body composition

treeship it's very interesting and educational to track your calories + macronutrient intake for a couple weeks. even if you don't continue you get an idea of what you are eating and you might be way off just eating based on instinct or thinking you were sorta under or sorta near maintenance calories.

so much for the death of the nutrition nazis thread

Does anyone have any opinions on/experience with intermittent fasting?

I might be able to chime in here. I did a weight loss bet last year and dropped about 55 pounds in 4 months. Which was something I really needed to do anyway. Intermittant fasting feels faddish but it worked wonders for me; the whole "a good breakfast will fuel your entire day" is total BS for me, a good breakfast will make me hungry 2 hours later and I'll eat the same amount at lunch. And late night snacking never kept me full into the morning (as I would justify it to myself). Real simple for me, just eat between 12 PM and 8 PM...not too radical. Didn't mess with my energy levels or anything and I still do it most days now.

If you want to stay your size and gain strength, do yoga. Seriously. Or look up ballet dancer exercises, i'm totally not shitting you. They work on gaining strength and lifting heavy while doing exercises (stretches/yoga) to keep their muscles long and lean. But that's a whole other level of crazy. One that I considered myself, though.

Can I just... So I am a known yoga Stan and I can confirm that as far as swimsuit season goes nothing does better for me than a serious vinyasa class 5x/week + maybe some boxing.

BUT the notion that any kind of exercise gives you "long/lean" muscles is some dancechick broscience. What gives you long muscles is genetics and what gives you lean muscles is eating less.

The right kind of yoga will def get you lean tho and give you more range of motion everywhere which feels fucking awesome fwiw.

hmmm, maybe that's the way to go: yoga + running or cardio + not having too many refined carbs, french fries, or pints of beer. i should take advantage of the fitness classes while i still have access to the university gym and i know they have yoga there.

maybe like, push ups too.

do you have some aversion to weights? it's not like you're instantly going to look like kai greene from doing a barbell routine three days a week dude. like, feel free to do yoga or whatever but you can achieve the same thing you're trying to do with like stronglifts or some other routine.

the gymbros you see with shirts that say "YOKED" or sth are in there 5 days a week and are eating planetary amounts of calories. lifting heavy weights will not necc make you look like that.

I'm pretty sure studies show that even letting your gaze linger on a barbell for a moment too long is the medical equivalent of injecting all the steroids on earth into your body.

Does anyone have any opinions on/experience with intermittent fasting?

Yes, it's done wonders for me. There's an ebook floating around called 'Eat. Stop. Eat.' by Brad Pilon that explains all the science and benefits of IT. I started with the leangains approach (short eating window) and it was good. I then tried a full 24 hour fast and it was even better. I do it now (on Sundays) and lift heavy M,W,F and am in the best shape of my life at 35.

Mark Sisson did a very informative series of posts on his blog, too.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/health-benefits-of-intermittent-fasting/#axzz3F771s281

It's also incredible how sharp your mind gets in the last 4 hours of a 24 hour fast. Good creative flow and clarity.

I think when it comes to getting fit there's so much information out there and a lot of it is good, but for your own sanity I would just read the most popular posts on LeanGains and so from there. the dude's demeanor was kind of a turn off for me at first but he really, really does know what he's talking about

i do al lthree, run, lift, yoga. yoga and lifting are amazing together for me bc it makes my connective / breathing / moving body catch up to the mass if that makes any real sense at all plus i have a weak core so it really tightens my lifts helps me move correctly keep my spine extended and not injure myself. also i never was athletic at all yoga helps with that. p sure some ashtanga classes + eating heartily would address your goals treesh but just start something start small experiment imo. i add in weights cuz i like looking bigger it's motivational people call me 'sir' and stuff h/t to patriarchy.

sort of want to say people who do weights for everything are a little deluded imo. like i was reading some ridiculous exercise science-y article about getting your calves swole and the solution was to do this very awkward power-calve-jump move on a giant calve machine and it's like come on just run up a hill meathead.

tbf that first ashtanga class will snap yr head back

(unless they're super-orthodox in which case you'll be excused after 15 minutes)

intermittent fasting is a fascinating idea but man i'm getting culty fake science vibes from people talking abt (no offense, if that's possible...)

sort of want to say people who do weights for everything are a little deluded imo. like i was reading some ridiculous exercise science-y article about getting your calves swole and the solution was to do this very awkward power-calve-jump move on a giant calve machine and it's like come on just run up a hill meathead.

― mattresslessness, Friday, October 3, 2014 4:38 PM (11 minutes ago)

lol! yeah i just do the main lifts don't really do any accessory work - squats, deadlift,bench press,overhead press and some upright rows .

running up hills is fine if u want strong-ass calves that can do things but all that cardio will set u back

if u want meat cantaloupes back there u gotta lift bro

oh yeah should have said maybe a beginning power class or something. i do a less demanding non strict ashtanga-based power class and it kicks my ass i still lose it towards the end though no one cares.

xp that is true but they look weeeird imo

oh yeah - ashtanga-based is a whole other thing. much easier to find and will kick your ass just fine.

more bruce springsteen less bruce lee

pretty sure there's been some recent Science about fasting that says it's a Good Thing when done correctly but, you know, idk

intermittent fasting is a fascinating idea but man i'm getting culty fake science vibes from people talking abt (no offense, if that's possible...)

The problems I've heard about with IF are kind of like those with any other long-term calorie restriction - decline in libido, etc..

There's one thing I've run into my first week doing IF that seems like a positive development. I'm still having the same difficulty as people upthread getting "enough" protein (1g/lb bodyweight seems insane), but since I'm concentrating on getting that first in a shorter amount of time, and eating a big post-workout meal first since I always do my major exercise for the day (weights, cardio, whatever) right at the end of my fasting period, I'm having actual difficulty eating up to my target calories because I'm so damn full.

intermittent fasting is a fascinating idea but man i'm getting culty fake science vibes from people talking abt (no offense, if that's possible...)

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

this is a good article on the subject. I agree its a little culty but the fact that you don't have to buy anything makes it seem more legit (plus, it worked wonders for me)

dancechick broscience

lol

leaving the house in the morning without eating = HAHAHA

yeah i'm a fainter. i might as well just go straight to the hospital before i try that.

i actually have fainted from not eating (not since hs tho and it only happened once)

on hour 22 of a 24 hour fast...this ain't bad

ok so today i did the first day of "stronglifts", which is 5x5 squats, 5x5 bench, 5x5 barbell rows. in two days i will do 5x5 squats, 5x5 overhead press, 5x5 deadlift, and then in two days after that i'll go back to the first one.

this seems doable for 10-12 weeks. add this to my cardio and running and i think i'll get a more balanced physique. i'm afraid of my quads getting too big bc the program is so squat focused and i wear skinny jeans, but i agree with what i have read that squats are a good "full body" exercise. overall i like how this program is compound rather than isolation exercises. overdeveloping certain muscles seems scary to me.

someone either wears skinny jeans or gets sw0le. there's no in between. the trick is to find out which one you are and be that.

what is going to make you a better person? having huge thighs or wearing skinny jeans? this is a no brainer, treesh

which reminds me -- i need new pants.

i have huge powerful thighs so i dont squat because i dont think stylish pants will fit me anymore

i relate to this article http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/sports/olympics/chasing-gold-and-jeans-that-fit.html

It's also incredible how sharp your mind gets in the last 4 hours of a 24 hour fast. Good creative flow and clarity.

funny thing to post right after yom kippur! i myself was marveling earlier today at how sludgy and destroyed my mind and body feel in the last 4 hours of a 24 hour fast.

do he got booty? xp

duh yeah

sw0le ilxors! I need your advice. person i know who is p gym intensive has started subcutaneous peptide use and, well, frankly I don't like it v much at all. however, I never go near a gym, and know nothing about the subject. what i've seen on the web I've just found confusing - pages on medical uses, athletic cheating, and a cacophony of bodybuilding 'how to' stuff. he says it's legal and the combination he uses safe, as it only takes effect when human growth hormone is produced. I know f' all about this, or intensive gym culture, and don't want to start an ill-informed conversation, as I think it's likely to turn into an argument, but equally i don't necessarily trust his judgment in this particular area and want to be able to test it out. he's not a professional athlete. there are body image issues. what's the general feeling here? it's fine? it's not at all good? it depends on what and when and how? certainly no worse than all that alcohol you put inside you son and i don't see you getting all hand-wringy about that?

and is there a good online place to go?

i have no idea what subcutaneous peptide is but i don't like the sound of it at all

for all the bullshit with "paleo" etc there's something to the idea of just eating food and doing work and getting strong. love yourself ppl!

yes, completely agree goole - i don't think there's much 'paleo' about that tbh, it seems like a decent and healthy way to go about it, just don't feel that argument's going to wash unfortunately.

i could look it all up myself, but is your friend injecting shit?

subcutaneously, yes. which is just... it's just a terrible terrible look at the very least, but within a subset of the intensive gym/body look world, you can find an awful lot of stuff that legitimises it and i think that's part of the problem here. unfortunately from 'inside' that world, the opinion of people outside that world lacks validity, and so it's difficult to have a meaningful discussion.

Your online choices are either going to be rah-rah steroid forums or everyone else who thinks it's an incredibly bad idea to inject gray-market shit into your body. Pretty much going with the masses there.

that's p much it milo, yep. :(

IMO, if it were even moderately safe and effective, you'd have a million clinics popping up to do it like there are for low testosterone.

i have no idea what subcutaneous peptide is but i don't like the sound of it at all

for all the bullshit with "paleo" etc there's something to the idea of just eating food and doing work and getting strong. love yourself ppl!

― goole, Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:42 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the only thing i inject is food into my mouth!

Paleo sounds more legit than subcutaneous peptide (?) as the former is just eating vegetables and meat. I have been doing stronglifts with the "starter" weight and while it is a bit easy i am working on my form and am excited to see how strong i get. I generally eat a caloric deficit if i am not drinking very often (low appetite side effect of medication) so it will be interesting to see how my physique reacts to this program.