it's definitely possible that he knows he'll never make as much in royalties again
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
lonesome crowded west c'mon y'all...
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Oh, I was only kidding about him contemplating his limitations after the last album. Maybe dude's just not into writing that much anymore.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
all the LP's are too bloated by about 3-4 songs, imo Everywhere and His Nasty Parlor Tricks is their best release front to back
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
Night on the Sun is best jam
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
It's a mark of how bad this thread had become that the swerve into Modest Mouse discussion actually seems like a slight improvement.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
oh man, "You're the Good Things," "Here it Comes," the extended "I Came as a Rat".... totally classic. i know ILX hates modest mouse for the most part
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Wednesday, 15 October 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahnUH7wnW30
4:40 in this video, Grimes talking about Madonna: "..even though she sucks now".
-LOL-
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
whoops
― how's life, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:01 (nine years ago) link
i think the issue was the way ariel pink discounted madonna, criticizing her for trying to hold onto her faded youth and that her work needs more substance -- "sugar in the mac and cheese" -- from male songwriters such as himself. he didn't just say "i haven't been too enthusiastic about madonna's recent efforts" or something.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:02 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/HVoM9oX.png
post from that Grimes video
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
that said, and i will say it again, ariel pink doesn't know what he is saying because he is a weird, crazy guy who spent his twenties in his parent's basement.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:04 (nine years ago) link
also ariel gets no benefit of the doubt after that sexist shit he was saying about that girl he took home in that one video, that was low shit
― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:18 (nine years ago) link
idk, i think people are leaping to that reading given all of his other press where he said dumb/offensive things in a deadpan way, for some reason, but saying madonna's music lacks substance these days/for many years, isn't a controversial opinion is it? he exaggerates wildly though by saying she's been shit since before Like a Virgin and putting sugar in mac and cheese would ever be acceptable.
he's trolling because he has a record coming out in november
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:21 (nine years ago) link
xpost yea in that same "i got maced by a feminist" bullshit interview, he says that gay sex "isn't really sex"he's not a bigot, just really cynical 'playing the heel'
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:23 (nine years ago) link
what a disaster for the self-aware heel if he's mistaken for a misogynist
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
He's not a bigot he's just using hurtful language in a trolling way to get a rise out of people? Call me cray but I think that makes him a bigot nonetheless.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Actually remove "nonetheless" there
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link
saying bigoted shit to "troll" is as bigoted as saying it because you "mean it"
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
xp
Can't imagine Grimes reasons for saying "Madonna sucks now" in that video were much or any different from Ariel Pinks, i.e, the same opinion of everybody on why she sucks now.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:33 (nine years ago) link
we've reached the "are people who still claim the issue was ariel saying madonna's music ain't good now trolling or genuinely clueless" portion of the thread
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
There are like 8million people ITT and the other one going "IDGI, what's wrong with saying Madonna sucks now?" as if that's the problem, rather than the wording of his statement.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:44 (nine years ago) link
yeah this is frustrating
― GhostTunes on my Pono (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:33 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
http://www.millsworks.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/writing_process.gif
― Tim F, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:52 (nine years ago) link
there's just something so goofy about the "woah, woah, the guy who casually says sexist shit may be a jerk, but that doesn't mean he's a real-deal, dyed-in-the-wool, my-woman-belongs-in-the-kitchen SEXIST" argument, as if it's important everyone be really delicate and careful in our estimation of egomaniacs who clearly don't give a fuck
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link
Never underestimate the ability of people to not understand things they don't really want to understand.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
lol @ analysing and interpreting the wording of something arial pink says in an interview
he said she should stop gyrating like shes 20. call it ageist if you want, but still no one has bothered explained why it's sexist, let alone misogynist.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
+ I would actually find a dismissive "even though she sucks now" as far 'offensive' than what Ariel said, personally.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
because men are not generally subject to the same type of ageism
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
RT: You're wrong, re-read the thread. Nobody owes you any further explanation you worthless troll.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
- some of the arguments itt are being supported w/citations from youtube comments threads
― schlump, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link
people getting angry over this haha
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
Life, Liberty, Property and the ability to gyrate at any age.
― Evan, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, 16. oktober 2014 17:23 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I am not angry. I am stating calmly and clearly, that what you write is factually wrong, and that you are a worthless troll. This isn't anger, this is fact. You have nothing to contribute, and you're wasting everyones time. So, quite frankly, shut up.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
you're upset, just calm down.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link
I love that gal Grimes. But that weird sheer top she wears with the felt on it, I hope she's not wearing that when she's 80. Amirite folks? I mean come on!
― kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link
keep calm and FP
― clouds, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
It's the Calm Police.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:26 (nine years ago) link
they live inside of my head
― clouds, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:28 (nine years ago) link
I'm calm, calm as can be. I'm listening to Stars of the Lid and drinking tea.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
Just going to update this exchange with hopes of keeping this thread delivering for a few more days.
Ariel Pink:
"They need something edgy. They need songwriting," he said. "She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.""I guess it’s called ‘throwback’, but the first record was so good because of the songs," he said. "It's been a downward slide (since). Ray of Light is not cool. And all the other stuff she’s done after that, it’s not like it matters. It really shows a drain of values. People need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. People need more sugar or something."
Grimes:
Ariel pinks delusional misogyny is emblematic of the kind of bullshit everyone woman in this industry faces daily. Also Ray of Light is a masterpiece. Even though she sucks now.
― everything, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
a.p otm tho tbh
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
no one talking about putting sugar into mac and cheese can ever be OTM
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
He's not saying that you should put sugar in your mac-and-cheese.
He's saying people need more substance in their mac-and-cheese. He's also saying people need more sugar or something. Not necessarily in their mac-and-cheese though. Maybe just have a Mountain Dew at the same time.
― everything, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
He's saying people need more sugar. He's saying people need more sugar in their aero-plane sachets, he's saying fuck your mac, he's saying macs don't gyrate covered in sugarwashes and spray you in the face like a feminist outside a healthshake store.
I wonder if Grimes likes the eco-feminists in Futurama. I wonder if Grimes is a really uptight person who cant' take jokes and stuff. I wonder if Grimes talks off the cuff knowingly about things like witch house then mixes it up with a Beiber-is-underrated spin off. I wonder if Grimes spends too much time tweeting and shit. I wonder if Ariel is a crack head with greasy fucking hair like an unfamous lo-fi tramp who nobody knows.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link
Quit being so got damn selfishPut it in ya pelvisLet it work, gyrate, motivate
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 16 October 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
I wonder if Grimes likes the eco-feminists in Futurama. I wonder if Grimes is a really uptight person who cant' take jokes and stuff.
flagged this post by the way. encourage others to do so too.
― Treeship, Thursday, 16 October 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
It sickens me how many of her supporters are so patronizing toward her and treat her like a wounded animal who constantly needs defending and pats on the back. I'm a fan of both but her manic-pixie-dreamgirl stuff projected onto her by fans is so bizarre to me.
Ariel gets pat on the back 7 minutes into this.http://pitchfork.com/news/56089-ariel-pink-i-got-maced-by-a-feminist/
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 16 October 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
Clear Butcher @Grimezszguitar is just a whole new sonic world, melodically, rhythmically etc,. playing 'irl' music is my biggest inspiration lately
― Number None, Friday, 12 December 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link