Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

would also watch

did you see sinister or emily rose? some decent boos at best but again, mostly a lot of characters making bad choices in dark rooms. during the family dinners in sinister you couldn't even see the walls behind them.

As long as it doesn't veer toward some Goyer style Marvel Knights bullshit it should be ok. I guess my expectations are centered around huge capes, huger collars, a Jeremy Blake approach to color, big budget abstractions and a proper flaming head. So maybe I care about vision over what the actual story is.

aside from faith in marvel's corporate overlords, i don't see reason to believe this dr strange movie will be better than that constantine movie a decade ago

I want late 90s Wong Kar-Wai's Dr. Strange.

i'd be fine if it were at the same level as Constantine - super stylish, just enough traces of a plot

5 minutes on the origin, but i don't think we'll be that lucky

(yeah tbf i don't recall hating constantine - it's just that a movie as good as constantine would be reallll mediocre for marvel and not hard for them to top with a more inspired director)

Deal's not set in stone, not too late for La Beouf Strange

word is they're skipping the origin in dr strange and starting with him as an established character.

Deal's not set in stone, not too late for La Beouf Strange

this is a legitimately terrifying idea

I wonder if they didn't go with keanu because reuniting the star of constantine with the guy who directed him in The Day The Earth Stood Still couldn't possibly excite anyone, while cumbybum has some nerd love. he's also probably still cheap.

i dont' think marvel will ever cast someone who can ask for a cut of the gross before the sequel

surely RDJ could have?

he did. and now that marvel is an established independent brand, no one else will ever again

(RIP my dreams of clooney as strange)

I was about to comment on the trend of casting nobodies re: Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch and then realized that they're being played by the kid from Kick-Ass (possibly the most anonymous person to ever be in a leading role since Josh Hartnett) and Elizabeth Olsen (obligatory indie darling)

so, good job on casting people who come across as nobodies? *shrug*

(RIP my dreams of clooney as strange)

^^^

disney/marvel's post-rdj policy is "yes you're not getting large slice of this pie, but if you weren't in avengers you wouldn't get to make lucy so it's worth it" and if they really really really want you in "Name Of Your Character 2" they'll cut you in

so far it's worked well in that they've cast quality actors without a lot of insta-name recognition and directors who really want to prove they can blockbuster (though the edgar wright and patty jenkins kerfluffles suggest not everyone wants a blockbuster THAT bad). i'm still excited for ant-man because the visual aesthetic was already defined by edgar wright before it was handed over to peyton reed, who i know can competently film actors being charming (and as proven by the russo bros in cap 2, that's all you need once the character's action aesthetic is figured out). but derrickson feels real B in comparison to his predecessors imo.

The more I think about it, the more I have big misgivings about a Dr. Strange movie at all, no matter who's writing, directing or starring. I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals, and Marvel movies arent about stillness and quiet. A Dr. Strange movie as loud and explodey as the Avengers and Guardians movies gives me The Fear.

Dr Strange done as found-footage horror film

every marvel character needs a) the emo factor and b) the cool shit they do in action scenes. i'm sure benedict can handle the emo factor but they're going to have to figure out a way for his power to look more interesting than a laser blast from his hand that we're told is a magic laser blast.

xp -- that would be awesome! I say that as someone who's never seen a found-footage horror film.

I haven't seen most of these films but I've always had a feeling that all superhero films have a mandatory love (or lust) interest somewhere, and it often makes an awkward fit.

well the good news is that marvel's been pretty good at tapping into why the character's drama and fighting style has sold comics for decades and presenting it cinematically (for comparison, i dunno if anyone involved with green lantern had a clue why he's endured). problem is that we're now getting to B & C level characters who haven't really sold comics for decades with their drama and fighting style. GOTG proved marvel can find and pull out unproven potential but where a shitty superman movie will still make a couple hundred million, a shitty dr strange movie probably wont.

at its best the love/lust interest humanizes the character but at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

I think the only love/lust interest in the Marvel movies so far has been Thor/Jane. I don't count Tony/Pepper flirting.

uh tony and pepper are the deepest love interests IN the marvel cinematic universe. they're practically a married couple.

unless you're defining "love/lust interest" as something inherently negligible

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

At this point, I think any Marvel movie would make at least a couple hundred million, unless it's completely awful. So many people seem aware of their track-record. Like, the trailer will still have 'The studio that brought you Avengers, Cap 2 and GotG', which is pretty good.

a "love interest" isn't defined by the exchange of fluids. there's obviously a deep emotional bond between tony and pepper that's also sexually charged and a source for drama in the film. whether they've done the deed is superfluous - she's his primary love/lust interest

obv marvel has a great rep and deservedly so, but whether they can get a golden egg from a true turkey of a film has yet to be tested

make hugh jackman strange and just pretend wolverine doesn't exist

hugh jackman's already strange

Guardians of the Galaxy - directed by James Gunn of all people - probably has them thinking they can pull off anything right now
Winter Soldier was directed by the guys who brought us fucking You Me and Dupree, Picking cheaper talent hasn't hurt Marvel, yet

xp By Avengers it seemed like Tony/Pepper were explicitly a thing - iirc that's why he joins the mission at her "urging"

hugh jackman is strange when you're a stranger

I mean even down to having Wolerine film with him just thinking about Jean Grey. I don think I've ever seen a superhero film without something of that sort.

Wondering if they'll bother in a Wonder Woman film because I gather people tend to hate her boyfriend.

yeah i've acknowledged they're going for cheaper talent (specifically mentioned the russos re cap 2, that by the sequel the hundreds of CGI wranglers at marvel handle the action scenes and you just need someone who can keep actors interesting) - but gunn was a fanboy favorite known for inspiration and invention (the script that got him into hollywood was The Specials, about an absurd superhero team). derrickson makes murky hit-and-miss ghost movies, and his one big budget flick was a huge dud.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/we-live-blog-all-the-details-of-marvels-special-hollywood-event

So far, Cap 3 will be called Captain America: Serpent Society, and Thor 3 is Thor: Ragnarok. Yay?

at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

Not sure what you're implying about Doctor Stephen ~Strange~ who lives in the West Village with his exotic valet in a house full of exotic objets and had ~adventures~ without ever stepping out the front door.

He has a girlfriend Clea she drops by sometimes.

I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals...

This is v otm and I don't know if marvel's listening but imo their implied choice of which genre to situate this one in offers some cause for hope.

Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Inhumans are go.

Avengers: Infinity War. Part one in 2018, two in 2019. So many movies.

Get Linklater to do Dr Strange Waking Life style.

sounds like the civil war gossip is all for naught - i wondered how they'd possibly fit that in AND the inevitable guardians/avengers team-up

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

Tony and Pepper are dating by the beginning of The Avengers.

Sorry, it was a fakeout. Cap 3 is Captain America: Civil War.

well whaddya know, sony may still get spidey up in there

also, given Wolverine's comic book history/representation, any movie that doesn't have him spending half of it pining over an old lover (whether it be Jean, Mariko, Silver Fox, or whomever) doesn't understand the character