Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

The more I think about it, the more I have big misgivings about a Dr. Strange movie at all, no matter who's writing, directing or starring. I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals, and Marvel movies arent about stillness and quiet. A Dr. Strange movie as loud and explodey as the Avengers and Guardians movies gives me The Fear.

Dr Strange done as found-footage horror film

every marvel character needs a) the emo factor and b) the cool shit they do in action scenes. i'm sure benedict can handle the emo factor but they're going to have to figure out a way for his power to look more interesting than a laser blast from his hand that we're told is a magic laser blast.

xp -- that would be awesome! I say that as someone who's never seen a found-footage horror film.

I haven't seen most of these films but I've always had a feeling that all superhero films have a mandatory love (or lust) interest somewhere, and it often makes an awkward fit.

well the good news is that marvel's been pretty good at tapping into why the character's drama and fighting style has sold comics for decades and presenting it cinematically (for comparison, i dunno if anyone involved with green lantern had a clue why he's endured). problem is that we're now getting to B & C level characters who haven't really sold comics for decades with their drama and fighting style. GOTG proved marvel can find and pull out unproven potential but where a shitty superman movie will still make a couple hundred million, a shitty dr strange movie probably wont.

at its best the love/lust interest humanizes the character but at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

I think the only love/lust interest in the Marvel movies so far has been Thor/Jane. I don't count Tony/Pepper flirting.

uh tony and pepper are the deepest love interests IN the marvel cinematic universe. they're practically a married couple.

unless you're defining "love/lust interest" as something inherently negligible

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

At this point, I think any Marvel movie would make at least a couple hundred million, unless it's completely awful. So many people seem aware of their track-record. Like, the trailer will still have 'The studio that brought you Avengers, Cap 2 and GotG', which is pretty good.

a "love interest" isn't defined by the exchange of fluids. there's obviously a deep emotional bond between tony and pepper that's also sexually charged and a source for drama in the film. whether they've done the deed is superfluous - she's his primary love/lust interest

obv marvel has a great rep and deservedly so, but whether they can get a golden egg from a true turkey of a film has yet to be tested

make hugh jackman strange and just pretend wolverine doesn't exist

hugh jackman's already strange

Guardians of the Galaxy - directed by James Gunn of all people - probably has them thinking they can pull off anything right now
Winter Soldier was directed by the guys who brought us fucking You Me and Dupree, Picking cheaper talent hasn't hurt Marvel, yet

xp By Avengers it seemed like Tony/Pepper were explicitly a thing - iirc that's why he joins the mission at her "urging"

hugh jackman is strange when you're a stranger

I mean even down to having Wolerine film with him just thinking about Jean Grey. I don think I've ever seen a superhero film without something of that sort.

Wondering if they'll bother in a Wonder Woman film because I gather people tend to hate her boyfriend.

yeah i've acknowledged they're going for cheaper talent (specifically mentioned the russos re cap 2, that by the sequel the hundreds of CGI wranglers at marvel handle the action scenes and you just need someone who can keep actors interesting) - but gunn was a fanboy favorite known for inspiration and invention (the script that got him into hollywood was The Specials, about an absurd superhero team). derrickson makes murky hit-and-miss ghost movies, and his one big budget flick was a huge dud.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/we-live-blog-all-the-details-of-marvels-special-hollywood-event

So far, Cap 3 will be called Captain America: Serpent Society, and Thor 3 is Thor: Ragnarok. Yay?

at its worst it's just tacked on proof that they're straight

Not sure what you're implying about Doctor Stephen ~Strange~ who lives in the West Village with his exotic valet in a house full of exotic objets and had ~adventures~ without ever stepping out the front door.

He has a girlfriend Clea she drops by sometimes.

I think the character and his wacky mystic arts adventures would be best served by unnerving amounts of stillness and quiet to go with the freaky Ditko visuals...

This is v otm and I don't know if marvel's listening but imo their implied choice of which genre to situate this one in offers some cause for hope.

Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Inhumans are go.

Avengers: Infinity War. Part one in 2018, two in 2019. So many movies.

Get Linklater to do Dr Strange Waking Life style.

sounds like the civil war gossip is all for naught - i wondered how they'd possibly fit that in AND the inevitable guardians/avengers team-up

My impression was always that they were attracted to each other, enjoyed the flirting, but ultimately both chose to avoid a luv'n'sex relationship. I just asked my wife and her impression was that they did have a romantic relationship, more implied than explicit.

Tony and Pepper are dating by the beginning of The Avengers.

Sorry, it was a fakeout. Cap 3 is Captain America: Civil War.

well whaddya know, sony may still get spidey up in there

also, given Wolverine's comic book history/representation, any movie that doesn't have him spending half of it pining over an old lover (whether it be Jean, Mariko, Silver Fox, or whomever) doesn't understand the character

so in order (after avengers 2 and ant-man in 2015)

May 2016: Captain America - Civil War
November 2016: Dr Strange
May 2017: Guardians Of The Galaxy 2
July 2017: Thor - Ragnarok
November 2017: Black Panther
May 2018: Avengers - Infinity War Part 1
July 2018: Captain Marvel
November 2018: The Inhumans
May 2019: Avengers - Infinity War Part 2

okay they're going pretty balls-out here

Jean's not even a plot-relevant character in The Wolverine though - you can't say that for Silver Fox in Origins or Jean in X2. His haunting is from an in-universe decade past! That is pretty out of the ordinary for most action movies, let alone superhero movies

so leaving out all the spidey business, which is the least defined and most likely to be nuked anyway

Feb 2016: Deadpool
March 2016: BatSupes: Justice A-Comin'
May 2016: Captain America - Civil War
MAy 2016: X-Men Apocalypse
August 2016: Suicide Squad
November 2016: Dr Strange
march 2017: Wolverine II(I)
May 2017: Guardians Of The Galaxy 2
June 2017: Wonder Woman
July 2017: Fantastic Four 2
July 2017: Thor - Ragnarok
November 2017: Black Panther
November 2017: Justice League Part 1
March 2018: The Flash
May 2018: Avengers - Infinity War Part 1
July 2018: Captain Marvel
July 2018: Aquaman
November 2018: The Inhumans
April 2019: Shazam
May 2019: Avengers - Infinity War Part 2
June 2019: Justice League 2

With Cyborg and Green Lantern ringing in the next decade

plus there's turtles and jedis and hogwarts alumni and legos and shit

universal also believes they're brewing a "monsterverse"

i would totally be down with a retconning/rethinking of stephen strange as a gay character; the character's a womanizer, just genderflip it
hell, get the guy from How To Get Away with Murder; he's got the right look.
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presumably fox won't let 2018-2019 go without gambit and/or another x-movie as well

xp http://static.episode39.it/artist/47433.jpg%3Ft%3D1410790107

here? http://www.google.com/url%3Fsa%3Di%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dimages%26cd%3D%26cad%3Drja%26uact%3D8%26ved%3D0CAcQjRw%26url%3Dhttp%3A//www.rottentomatoes.com/celebrity/jack_falahee/%26ei%3DLOdPVJfiIaXIsASs8YLQBA%26psig%3DAFQjCNHg121oDH3HaIHIcjzaB4Rh7HVQGg%26ust%3D1414609008526325

i give up, gis "jack falahee"

I'd be very surprised if they did Shazam even halfway right. He's one of the most notorious characters for being done badly.

Wondering if that line-up (from all film studios) is a big risk and if they have a plan B? What will they do if the trend loses a large part of its audience?

judging from what happened with sony after amazing spider-man 2 it's clear they can curb things fairly quickly, and only fox has to worry about losing rights if they don't produce - if dc or marvel scales back they only lose face.

it's not the first time a genre's been inescapable at the box office

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Western_films_1950%E2%80%9354

who knows maybe in the 2020s the "singing superhero" movie will become a thing

I will be first in line for a Dazzler movie

xpost -- Well then, no WONDER they cast Downey.

https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_liaarlupC91qgzg6eo1_500.gif

Lila Cheney cameo in GOTG2 sets up the musical onslaught

btw "Musical Onslaught" is the Big Bad of these movies

just scrolling down "1950" in that wiki link puts all this crap into context