Albums that exist with very different mixes

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Does Sly and the Family Stone's "Fresh" count here, where an alternate mix was erroneously issued on CD?

Or Cold Spring Harbor by Billy Joel.

pplains, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 00:28 (nine years ago) link

The Band, Stage Fright has different mixes by Glyn Johns (who did two sets) and Todd Rundgren. The original lp was a hybrid of their work, but the initial cd versions were all previously unissued Johns mixes, and it wasn't until the most recent remastered cd that the og mixes were available again, with three of the Johns mixes included as bonus tracks.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 02:56 (nine years ago) link

Interesting about Freak Out! -- I guess I've never heard the original vinyl mix.

You can get the original mix on the Mofo collection(s).

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 02:58 (nine years ago) link

Weren't the U.S./Europe releases of Bob Marley's albums on Island all different mixes from the Jamaican versions?

brimstead, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:03 (nine years ago) link

^^not just mixes--Catch A Fire has Rabbit Bundrick keyboard overdubs.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:11 (nine years ago) link

Velvet Underground & Nico had distinct mono and stereo mixes, as does the first (but not the second, for some reason) side of White Light/White Heat.

(The mono of the 2nd side on the box set is a fold-down of the stereo, rather than a dedicated mono mix.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:25 (nine years ago) link

Recent Genesis 70s albums in box set had new, sometimes pretty different mixes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:32 (nine years ago) link

The current remix of Iggy's Kill City isn't really a remix, but a "mix" over the initial shitty unmixed tape dump whatever it was originally.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:42 (nine years ago) link

No Let It Be yet, or does that not count?

Thackeray Zax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:45 (nine years ago) link

SKip Spence's "Oar" first cd issue is a different mix from the Sundazed reissue.
It'd be nice to hear the original lp and compare them all.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:48 (nine years ago) link

Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible had a US (or Canadian maybe) mixdown. Instead of the sparser post-punk aesthetic of the UK version the States were treated to lashings of classic rock reverb on everything.

Willl, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 10:56 (nine years ago) link

The Manic Street Preachers' Generation Terrorists also had some tracks mixed differently for the US release (and some tracks dropped entirely), as well as having live drums to replace the original drum machine.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 11:14 (nine years ago) link

Re: WL/WH- the tracks on the second side DO both have different mixes, though- the weird, bass-heavy rejected single (?) mix of "I Heard Her Call My Name" and the so-called "Swan Mix" of Sister Ray.

rushomancy, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 11:23 (nine years ago) link

Oh, and Amon Duul II- most mixes of _Phallus Dei_ have obnoxious phasing all over the second half of the title track, but the original issue is unphased. Also, with _Yeti_, most versions of the album inexplicably fade out "Pale Gallery" three minutes early.

Not to forget the '80s CD remixes of the first and third Henry Cow albums, _Leg End_ and _In Praise of Learning_!

rushomancy, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 11:33 (nine years ago) link

Clinic's Free Reign was followed a few months later by the album Free Reign II, containing completely different mixes of the same songs in reverse order.

Eyeball Kicks, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 11:38 (nine years ago) link

Oh, wait, what about the "backwards mix" of the second Gnarls Barkley album?

rushomancy, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 11:43 (nine years ago) link

Love's Forever Changes, there's a reasonably different alternate mix that came out somewhere in the 2000s.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 12:00 (nine years ago) link

... and there are two different versions of "Four Sail", the version that came out on the crappy Thunderbolt label in the late 80s had different mixes for some if not all of the tracks.

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 12:12 (nine years ago) link

Freak Out!: Digital reverb added (to cover 'mistakes') to most cd editions.

Yeah, the CD versions are garbage, what was Zappa thinking?

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 12:16 (nine years ago) link

Holy shit I spent a good hour last night comparing the two mixes of Pearl Jam'a Ten and the new one is I mean awful of course, sure, but more so just BAFFLING!!! How do you take an album and remove such a crucial component of its signature sound???

Belami Young (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 13:18 (nine years ago) link

Yes - Close To The Edge, very tastefully and clarifyingly re-mixed last year by Steven Wilson. Stereo, not 5.1 (which I assume we're not counting here).

Supposed Former ILM Lurker (WeWantMiles), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

speaking of, King Crimson's Lizard, also done by SW, including bits that weren't on the original

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 16:24 (nine years ago) link

The Rolling Stones' "Their Satanic Majesties Request" (mono)

The first pressing was a true mono mixdown, later pressings were just a fold-down of the stereo.

I did a CDr of one of my copies, but felt that it wasn't that great for some reason, then I looked it up and found out why.

Two ways of discerning: 1) if you can see T2 in the deadwax, it's a stereo fold-down, 2) if there are three clock-chimes before "Citadel", it's a true mono. If there are two, then it's a T2.

I can only assume Decca managed to lose the mono master tape, and created a fold-down from the stereo master.

Mark G, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link

Also, with _Yeti_, most versions of the album inexplicably fade out "Pale Gallery" three minutes early.

this is how the track is on the original german album. only the first uk lp (and a later cd reissue) had the extended version.

sleepingsignal, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 16:54 (nine years ago) link

The Sisters of Mercy - First and Last and Always

"There were originally two versions of the album, one which contained the original mixes and was release on vinyl in Europe (and America I think) and re-released on CD in 2006 by Rhino. The second version is known as the Japanese version, this was released in Japan on vinyl and all subsequent CD versions (including the 1988 CD versions) were mastered from these Japanese mixes because the originals were supposedly lost. Eldritch's 1992 remaster of the album is sourced from the Japanese mixes. The exception to this is of course the 2006 Rhino CD which utilises the original mixes."

StanM, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:15 (nine years ago) link

Two mixes of Lilys Better Can't Make Your Life Better

stop torturing me ethel (broom air), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link

the Stevehoffman.tv version of this thread would be 1000 pages long. god bless those guys.

Abstinence Hawk (frogbs), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

The Alan Parsons Project - "Tales of Mystery and Imagination".

There are two different mixes, the first done in 1976 and the second done in 1987. The 1987 version has some overdubs that are not on the 1976 version. Some of the audio signal processing is different too.

Tokyo Crow, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:44 (nine years ago) link

Killing Joke - "Brighter Than a Thousand Suns".

There are two versions, one released in 1986 and another released in 2007. The 1986 version was mainly mixed by Julian Mendelsohn. The version released in 2007 features mixes done by Chris Kimsey.

Tokyo Crow, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link

Head of David - "Dustbowl" versus "The Saveana Mixes".

"Dustbowl" was done by Steve Albini, "The Saveana Mixes" were done by John Fryer. I think the master tapes of the original mixes were lost so that's why they had to be redone.

Tokyo Crow, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link

Radio Birdman' two albums come in two different flavors, both of which can be found in the new box set.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link

The Verve - "This is Music: The Singles 92 - 98".

This is a greatest hits compilation. Some of the tracks from the bands early singles and EPs ("She's a Superstar", "Gravity Grave", "All in the Mind") have different mixes to make them more sonically consistent with the bands later tracks.

There are also two different versions of The Verve's single "Blue", the original mix and the "USA mix".

Tokyo Crow, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link

Is re-recording complete albums a metal thing?
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Verminous/re_recorded__re_arranged__re_worked_albums/

StanM, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link

sometimes it's a publishing rights thing, see Squeeze and Gang Of Four

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link

These mostly seem to fall in two categories:
- re-recorded demo tracks
- re-recordings due to label problems

Siegbran, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link

It was briefly in vogue for Rock Band- DEVO for instance re-recorded some of their songs because they didn't have tapes of the original recordings they could make stems from.

rushomancy, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link

Southern Culture on the Skids recently rerecorded all of their 1994 Ditch Diggin' album. It's now called "Dig This." Not entirely sure if that was a rights-related thing, or they just felt like a sonic upgrade would be fun.

Deliciously hard yet very accessible (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link

Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible had a US (or Canadian maybe) mixdown. Instead of the sparser post-punk aesthetic of the UK version the States were treated to lashings of classic rock reverb on everything.

― Willl, Wednesday, November 5, 2014 10:56 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The differences between the UK mix of The Holy Bible and Tom Lord-Alge's US mix are a very good example of just how much the mixing process can alter a record, IMO. I often think that sometimes when people talk about the "production" of a record, sometimes they're actually confusing it with the "mix". Like, both the UK and US mixes of the album obviously come from the same source material, but the feel and overall sound of both mixes couldn't be any more different.

Welcome To (Turrican), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link

I hadn't heard that Sisters Of Mercy tidbit - are the mixes radically different? Is one better than the other?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link

The US version of We Are The Pipettes vs. the UK version.

Big Orange Machine (Leee), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link

The Enid re-recorded their first two albums roughly a decade after the originals but a few years ago the originals were reissued.

Art Zoyd re-recorded their debut only five years after the original but I think they have stuck with the second version. Sadly there isn't much info about which reissues contain which mix or how different they are.

Sleeve- weren't you unhappy about the new Rudimentry Peni mixes?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:50 (nine years ago) link

nah, that's remastering not remixing

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link

Gerald, yes, they sound quite different. I don't know which one I prefer though, I first had the vinyl, then the first CD sounded weird and wrong, but now, years later, the remaster (which is the first mix I had again) sounds strange again.

StanM, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 23:19 (nine years ago) link

There's one pressing of Eric Clapton's first solo LP ("CTH" in the deadwax) that has several tracks with different mixes. It's apparently quite collectible.

ellaguru, Wednesday, 5 November 2014 23:28 (nine years ago) link

I haven't heard them in 20 years, but I seem to remember that the "Deutsches Album" versions of Peter Gabriel's 3rd & 4th albums had some significant differences in the mixes.

Hideous Lump, Thursday, 6 November 2014 02:51 (nine years ago) link

I know Spotify is the enemy and all, but this is where streaming services could really useful, offering multiple mixes of albums for easy A-B comparison (with the artists' blessing of course).

Pict in a blanket (WilliamC), Thursday, 6 November 2014 03:06 (nine years ago) link

One might think, but oftentimes the only one up there is the rerecord

Thackeray Zax (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 6 November 2014 03:16 (nine years ago) link


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