considering stephen malkmus's album appeared in the lower reaches of only Uncut and American Songwriter magazines, maybe Pavement's endurance is overestimated?
― dive inside water and you will know (dog latin), Friday, 5 December 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link
Recent solo Malkmus is far from the tone of Pavement though.
― Evan, Friday, 5 December 2014 17:00 (nine years ago) link
The issue is not really whether he sounds like either.
― Matt DC, Friday, 5 December 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
evan i have heard fade, i am not afraid of you... and i can hear the heart beating as one. again this is more an issue of me thinking something is *shrug* rather than actively bad.
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
Gotcha- so... guitar indie in general?
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― Evan, Friday, 5 December 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
mac demarco sounds like a sad ariel pink
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Wow I played some of those ones in the djmag chart, really horrible!
― saer, Friday, 5 December 2014 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Hey sloth I'd recommend giving Painful a go start to finish and see if you like that better.
― Evan, Friday, 5 December 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link
We clown on Popmatters sometimes, but I really like their metal list. With some great contributions from at least one, that I'm aware of, ilxor.
15. Witch Mountain - Mobile of Angels14. Babymetal - Babymetal13. Dawnbringer - Night of the Hammer12. Midnight - No Mercy for Mayhem11. Ghost Bridage - IV: One With the Storm10. Panopticon - Roads to the North9. Mournful Congregation - Concrescence of the Sophia8. Behemoth - The Satanist7. Godflesh - A World Lit Only By Fire6. Judas Priest - Redeemer of Souls5. Agalloch - The Serpent and the Sphere4. YOB - Clearing the Path to Ascend3. Pallbearer - Foundations of Burden2. Triptykon - Melana Chasmata1. Opeth - Pale Communion
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 December 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
the YOB album truly is as good as advertised
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
Ugh The Outsiders. Is EW playing catchup?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 December 2014 17:58 (nine years ago) link
i feel bad that Eric Church is getting dumped on so much in this thread. the album is not as hit-packed as its predecessor and has some goofy lyrics but i really love the arrangements/production and overall vibe.
― Bro With Extensive Taint (some dude), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:15 (nine years ago) link
I'm assuming that I will be just as bored by the new Eric Church album as I was by the first one?
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
one of my favorite things about the album is that 2 of the singles have zany tempo changes, you might enjoy that
― Bro With Extensive Taint (some dude), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link
You're correct.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 December 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
sadly I am slightly intrigued by the promise of zany tempo changes
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF-W4YJ6y_A
― Bro With Extensive Taint (some dude), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
i keep trying to square the idea that "rock is dead" with the current critical/ILX love of extreme metal
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:30 (nine years ago) link
Time Out (London) - Albums:http://www.timeout.com/london/music/the-best-albums-of-2014
30. Sam Smith - In the Lonely Hour29. SBTRKT - Wonder Where We Land28. Richard Dawson - Nothing Important27. Metronomy - Love Letters26. East India Youth - Total Strife Forever25. Beck - Morning Phase24. Damien Rice - My Favourite Faded Fantasy23. Aphex Twin - Syro22. Alex G - DSU21. Future Islands - Singles20. The Horrors - Luminous19. Mica Levi - Under the Skin OST18. Kate Tempest - Everubody Down17. Perfume Genius - Too Bright16. Sun Kil Moon - Benji15. Taylor Swift - 198914. Royal Blood - Royal Blood13. Hookworms - The Hum12. Warpaint - Warpaint11. Jungle - Jungle10. Owen Pallett - In Conflict9. Caribou - Our Love8. Ibibio Sound Machine - Ibibio Sound Machine7. FKA Twigs - LP16. The War on Drugs - Lost in the Dream5. Little Dragon - Nabuma Rubberband4. Goat - Commune3. Todd Terje - It's Album Time2. Damon Albarn - Everyday Robots1. La Roux - Trouble in Paradise
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:31 (nine years ago) link
Is that the first Ibibio Sound Machine nod in a major list? Nice.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 December 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 5, 2014 1:30 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i saw someone on twitter say their year-end list had x many 'metal' albums but no 'rock' albums. i'm all for setting extreme metal totally outside the rock category as some kind of terrible IDM with guitars.
― Bro With Extensive Taint (some dude), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link
Time Out (London) - Best songs of 2014:http://www.timeout.com/london/music/the-50-best-songs-of-2014
50. David Bowie – Sue (Or in a Season of Crime)49. Kindness – This is Not About Us48. Floating Points – King Bromeliad47. Objekt – Ganzfeld46. Mick Jenkins – Rain45. Iggy Azalea ft. Charli XCX – Fancy44. Meridian Dan – German Whip43. Nadine Shah – Stealing Cars42. Route 94 ft. Jess Glynne – My Love41. Tiga – Bugatti40. Strand Of Oaks – Goshen ’9739. East India Youth – Heaven, How Long38. Sun Kil Moon – Richard Ramirez Died Today of Natural Causes37. The Horrors – So Now You Know36. Sam Smith – Stay With Me35. Honeyblood – Choker34. Gorgon City ft. MNEK – Ready for Your Love33. Brian Eno and Karl Hyde – Daddy’s Car32. Kate Tempest – Lonely Daze31. Caribou – Can’t Do Without You30. Dan Beaumount – Trippy Pumper29. Gazelle Twin – Anti Body28. Paolo Nutini – Iron Sky27. St Vincent – Digital Witness26. Glass Animals – Gooey25. Clean Bandit featuring Jess Glynne – Rather Be24. Flying Lotus ft. Kendrick Lamar – Never Catch Me23. SBTRKT ft. Raury – Higher22. Real Lies – North Circular21. Aphex Twin – Minipops 67 [120.2][source field mix]20. Little Dragon – Killing Me19. Sia – Chandelier18. Caribou – Silver17. Damon Albarn – You and Me16. Beyonce ft. Jay Z – Drunk in Love15. Royal Blood – Out of the Black14. Ibibio Sound Machine – Let’s Dance (Yak Inek Unek)13. The War On Drugs – Red Eyes12. Warpaint – Disco//Very11. La Roux – Let Me Down Gently10. Jessie Ware – Tough Love9. Tune-Yards – Water Fountain8. Perfume Genius – Queen7. Kiesza – Hideaway6. Metronomy – I’m Aquarius5. Todd Terje – Delorean Dynamite4. FKA Twigs – Two Weeks3. Taylor Swift – Shake It Off2. Jungle – Busy Earnin’1. Future Islands – Seasons (Waiting on You)
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:37 (nine years ago) link
some kind of terrible IDM with guitars
LOL, thanks
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
i'm sure actual terrible idm with guitars must already exist but i can't think who that would be
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
oh wait radiohead
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
RIP Atari Teenage Riot
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
imo "terrible idm with guitars" = refused
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 5 December 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
ruuuuuuuuuuuuude
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
refused rule
plus you get on that what's math punk and what's math metal thing w.like converge/refused/meshuggah/etc etc
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, December 5, 2014 12:49 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i sold the LP but i stil have the not your business EP w/raverbashing on vinyl, that is pretty amazing/ludicrious now
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link
Y'all critics are totally sleeping on Weird Al's Mandatory Fun. "Word Crimes" is the best song of the year!
― Mr. Snrub, Friday, 5 December 2014 19:04 (nine years ago) link
MidnightNo Mercy for MayhemOver the past few years Cleveland band Midnight has been steadily attracting new followers in the metal underground with its simple yet irresistible and very raucous blend of Motörhead’s fierce rock ‘n’ roll and the deliriously sloppy blasphemy of Venom. As brilliant as 2011’s Satanic Royalty was—and it was one of that year’s finest underground metal releases—it had many, including yours truly, wondering just what Midnight had left in the tank. After all, when you’re a one-trick pony, it’s hard to keep audiences riveted; just ask Motörhead and Venom, who’ve had their share of duds. What makes No Mercy For Mayhem so extraordinary, however, is that it’s just as intense and primal as ever, but now there’s a flashier side to the riffs, often bringing a deathpunk swagger to the proceedings, guaranteed to remind many of Norwegian greats Turbonegro. Just listen to how the crazed boogie-woogie of “Prowling Leather” segues immediately into the title track, whose slick leads are more Hanoi Rocks than Jeff Mantas. The end result is one of the most undeniably fun metal albums of the year, one that’s far more musically rich than anyone could ever have expected. Adrien Begrand
Over the past few years Cleveland band Midnight has been steadily attracting new followers in the metal underground with its simple yet irresistible and very raucous blend of Motörhead’s fierce rock ‘n’ roll and the deliriously sloppy blasphemy of Venom. As brilliant as 2011’s Satanic Royalty was—and it was one of that year’s finest underground metal releases—it had many, including yours truly, wondering just what Midnight had left in the tank. After all, when you’re a one-trick pony, it’s hard to keep audiences riveted; just ask Motörhead and Venom, who’ve had their share of duds. What makes No Mercy For Mayhem so extraordinary, however, is that it’s just as intense and primal as ever, but now there’s a flashier side to the riffs, often bringing a deathpunk swagger to the proceedings, guaranteed to remind many of Norwegian greats Turbonegro. Just listen to how the crazed boogie-woogie of “Prowling Leather” segues immediately into the title track, whose slick leads are more Hanoi Rocks than Jeff Mantas. The end result is one of the most undeniably fun metal albums of the year, one that’s far more musically rich than anyone could ever have expected. Adrien Begrand
rock lives
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
Is rock undead?
― Evan, Friday, 5 December 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
that sounds fun
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
(that cleveland band not being a zombie)
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
it's great ums
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
― you say tomato/i say imago (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, December 5, 2014 2:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like a cleve rock band made up of zombies would be even more fun imo
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
i don't have much of a theory on this but i think a lot of the metal-lives-rock-is-dead phenomenon is just down to demographics. i mean, i would like to listen to more rock music, i suppose, i listen to a lot more than i did 10 years ago, but it's hard to find things that really interest me and seem good enough, when it's of recent vintage. some combination of post-00s mainstreamification of indie, and the ongoing state of commercial rock/alt-rock/loud-rock, and the retreadism (like brad's faves hotelier - i liked that but it also seemed too one-note to me to be forgivable, for such a familiar sound), and the weird unappetizing puttering about that i find in a lot of the headline indie/rock names of the last 10 years or so… it's like they're not currently expressing feelings/existential outlooks using sounds that i wanna hear. catering too much to the sensibilities of well-heeled 25-45somethings, their lifestyle plans, etc, for one.
whereas in metal you can find more of an outright disinterest in sounding nice for indie-npr, soundtracking beer-flight tasting night at the local coffeeshop, etc.; more acknowledgement of the current shittiness of society, life in it; at least (even if obscure/incoherent) some kind of nod to class (owing to metal's long-standing disreputable status).
on the other hand, aside from its other qualities that can make it unapproachable to people who don't like noise, massive downers, etc., extreme metal just has a built-in barrier to entry with the voices, the at the very least facade of interest in eeeevil, different styles of imagery, etc. so to some extent there are rock listeners who may have been comfortable with some configurations of, i dunno, negativity/refusal in music, that cannot get with those that are more available at the moment in some metal.
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link
modern rock music in the popular arena = country
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:35 (nine years ago) link
i know somedude checks for actual radio-rock, as some other critics here do. i suppose one way of putting it is that extreme metal offers some cred-cover for critics/listeners who want features of rock but can't stand for whatever reason to get them from / admit to get them from radio-rock.
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:42 (nine years ago) link
i'm listening to a prog metal album right now and it is barely distinguishable from radio rock
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
the last band i liked a lot that could be called radio rock was gaslight anthem, but they have gotten suckier with every album. also i guess like, NIN, who i'll always ride or die for, gets some radio play for elder-statespeople reasons, thats pretty much it
i feel like theres a decent amount of rock - regardless of whether it's technically ensconced in some subgenre like the emo revival stuff - that in theory could have fairly wide appeal but it never seems to end up there
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:48 (nine years ago) link
or say, the last baroness album - that record is chock full of anthems that are more or less radio-ready without sounding compromised, but i dont think any of those songs got play (correct me if wrong)
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
the last band i liked a lot that could be called radio rock was gaslight anthem
this reminds me that i had the thought the other day that some dude might like this year's taking back sunday record
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Friday, 5 December 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
i think the midnight album is interesting because it's open and riffy and hooky enough somehow, even with a nice and regular vocalist-over-the-top frontman, and not much in the way of noisy/irritating technique from the band, that it hits just the right buttons for your typical rock-listener-requirements. in a way that, say, the obliterations album from this year, or the oozing wound album, don't. but his vocals are juuuuust snarling/tortured enough to seem a little OTT / affected / playacty / indecorous if you're thinking that rock music should, like, be ok to have on at your independent coffeeshop. too many customers would be, 'it felt… disturbing'.
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:55 (nine years ago) link
play where, slothrop? that album did get some critical play, and some ilm play. i actually listened to it quite a bit! but something about it made it too much of a sell/chore.
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:57 (nine years ago) link
(and i think maybe it didn't stick enough with enough critics for the same sort of reason. lots wanted to like it, but didn't in the end?)
― j., Friday, 5 December 2014 19:59 (nine years ago) link
oh i mean on rock radio. thats what i was talking about - that baroness has songs that are still unquestionably baroness but could in theory be liked by rock radio audiences & yet don't get airply. it got oodles of critic love and although i was not on ILX then i'm sure it was adored here
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
*airplay. personally i fucking love that album, it was my #5 of 2012
― hanley ramirez ordering a pizza (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
Shellac album is only on two of these lists, speaking of rock music that this noise fan can tolerate. new Six Organs is too late in this dumb spin cycle to get counted but it rocks too.
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 5 December 2014 20:03 (nine years ago) link
chances of "Yellow & Green" producing some sort of rock radio hit were probably slim from the jump BUT whatever chance it might've had probably ended when they crashed their van in Europe a month after it came out, effectively shutting down the band for a year and a half. touring stopped (they didn't do a post-"Y&G" tour of America until late 2013!) and promotional efforts were scaled back considerably. again, it's not like you could say "that cost them a hit" but it certainly didn't help matters.
(it was my #1 album of '12, btw)
― alpine static, Friday, 5 December 2014 20:06 (nine years ago) link