To be clear, I like all those artists, though they hover more in the lower half of my top hundred. It's just an interesting new-ish pattern of older artists making some of the most challenging, least commercial music in their careers, and topping a lot of the polls.
And yes, I read my poststructuralist theory way back when, and know not to essentialize and oversimplify anything. At last week's Opeth show, I did see some women there who were into the band, not just there with friends and dates. However, men still made up about 98% of the audience.
― Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:49 (nine years ago) link
i like a couple of these, but this list is kind of poopy:
Wire Magazine: Avant Rock 10
1 Earth - Primitive And Deadly2 St Vincent - St Vincent3 Beck - Morning Phase4 The Lowland Hundred - The Lowland Hundred5 Owen Pallett - In Conflict6 Scott Walker and Sunn O))) - Soused7 D Charles Speer And The Helix - Double Exposure8 Marissa Nadler - July9 Grumbling Fur - Preternaturals10 Obituary - Inked In Blood
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link
this, though....
Gangster Gibbs is as old school as they come, in the sense that his realness is verified (with the proverbial battle scars to prove it)
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, December 9, 2014 4:48 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
love the gibbs album but why the bloodclot is it necessary for a critic to bring that up, it'd be good even if those things weren't true
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:54 (nine years ago) link
god i feel i should try at least a couple of thi year's 'avant rock' albums not by olds but nothing is really looking inviting
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:55 (nine years ago) link
this is better:
Wire Magazine: Electronica 10
1 AyeGeeTee - Imminent Orphan2 Brood Ma - Populous3 Lee Gamble - KOCH4 Karen Gwyer - New Roof5 Hieroglyphic Being - The Seer Of Cosmic Visions6 Logos - Cold Mission7 FKA Twigs - LP18 Kangding Ray - Solens Arc9 Nochexxx - Thrusters10 Vessel - Punish, Honey
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
xp a pretty dull selection with the exception of Obituary
― Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:57 (nine years ago) link
oh i dont mean on that shit little list but in general
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link
3 Beck - Morning Phase
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS AVANT ABOUT THIS ARE THEY TROLLING
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:00 (nine years ago) link
haha wtf
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:01 (nine years ago) link
if you don't want to know the score look away now, but the swans album trumped all afaict (boring answer i know)
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link
4 The Lowland Hundred - The Lowland Hundred
this is well worth highlighting ftr, cartographically-fixated duo from west Wales in the Talk Talk/Wyatt tradition
― cornelius pardew (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link
the 'avant-rock' column has always been meaninglessly named, it's just a repository for anything which features a guitar in some form and didn't get picked for the main section
― cornelius pardew (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link
Wire Magazine: Hip Hop 10
1 Young Thug & Rich Homie Quan - Rich Gang The Tour Part 12 YG - My Krazy Life3 Vince Staples - Shyne Coldchain 24 Chief Keef - Back From The Dead 25 Lil Boosie - Life After Death Row6 Rae Sremmurd - No Type7 Kevin Gates - Posed To Be In Love8 Common - Nobody's Smiling9 Future - Honest10 Shabazz Palaces - Lese Majesty
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
uhhhh, the most recent kevin gates release aside from the one that hasn't dropped yet is called By Any Means. "posed to be in love" is a song on it
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
I am currently listening to Fader's top song ("Wishin You Well" by Makonnen) and lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll gtfo
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:34 (nine years ago) link
wishin you well is pretty dire
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
The backing track is really nice, but those verses have issues.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
I definitely don't understand why anyone would rank WYW instead of "Tuesday" or "I Don't Sell Molly No More"
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link
that whole song is an issue.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:55 (nine years ago) link
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:05 (46 minutes ago)
yeah i got that one, although im not quite so sanguine about it
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link
with regard to the superannuated wire cover star set, my private name for that genre (merzbow, jg thirlwell, maybe william bennett, assorted wonky jazz mavens etc) is avant-furniture or avant-furn
the sort of people who instinctively know how to stare obliquely into the middle distance when being photographed at a dutch angle next to a concrete building, comfortingly implacable, reliably difficult, reassuring references to bataille and schwitters, that sort of thing
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 22:59 (nine years ago) link
difficult in the bloodyminded sense rather than esoteric, nothing could be less surprising or 'inaccessible' than a new michael gira joint in 2014
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:01 (nine years ago) link
boo fader making a list and boo their lame excuse for starting to do so
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:04 (nine years ago) link
xp man isn't it a bummer when things aren't edgy enough
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:08 (nine years ago) link
I don't think that's what he's saying
I was quite disappointed with the Swans record compared to the two before it, I don't think I'm alone there
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link
right there with you. Best resurrected Swans is still the first.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link
aw be kind to raccoon tanuki's sloppy seconds, the reliably dense new school landfill maven who is making ILM the place to be seen in december '14
― نكبة (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:12 (nine years ago) link
it was a joke.
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link
how was that not obvious?
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, December 9, 2014 4:31 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
'no type' is also a song. it's not a ranking of albums but of musical artifacts iirc. anyway that's v clearly noz's list
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
my b. most of the other wire lists appeared to be such so i assumed, stand corrected
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
thats probably the closest in taste noz & i have been in some time
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
reliably dense new school landfill maven who is making ILM the place to be seen in december '14
glad you think of me as attracting that much attention. "reliably dense new school landfill maven?" p weak as far as zings go, even if the juxtaposition of maven and landfill is kinda sexy. wordplay-wise. but that's cute, though, you fapping over your authenticity like that as opposed to...what? my lack thereof? cool story, man.
― just a couple of assholes having breakfast (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link
christ alive who is this pleb
― Chairman Feinstein (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
Speaking of Grumbling Fur, is there anywhere stateside to pick up that new one?
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
I don't think that's what he's sayingI was quite disappointed with the Swans record compared to the two before it, I don't think I'm alone there― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:10 (23 minutes ago) Permalink
― some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:10 (23 minutes ago) Permalink
It's a good album, but it's no The Seer.
― dive inside water and you will know (dog latin), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:36 (nine years ago) link
new swans was funnier and catchier than the previous couple. tbh i found those a bit of a chore - too many misshapen marching songs for grim-faced hobbledehoys. this one is fun! this one has songs that swing! i actually wanted to listen to it more than once
― sosmix klopp (NickB), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:55 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I'll def vote for Sicko Mobb as well. Amazingly consistent tape. Fact had it on their top 100 2010-14 list as well.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:37 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought the tape was kinda underwhelming & i like sicko mobb ... sound quality was rough too
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 9 December 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link
Aphex at #1 in the Wire list is a joke, surely?
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:05 (nine years ago) link
It's the year of the joke #1s.
― jmm, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
I'll say!
2014 seems to go down in history with either War on Drugs or Aphex at #1? I don't care about War on Drugs. I do care about Aphex, but c'mon, the retro trip of the long lost son as a number one album of 2014? By "progressive magazine" Wire? What year is this? 1994? Gtfo.
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
Heartening to see Shyne Coldchain 2 popping up all over
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link
Wire list is much lazier than usual, weird. Though I remember reading about their polling process a few years ago - they don't have ranked ballots, so the winning album is simply the one that appears on the most ballots. Easy to see how boring consensus/canon picks can rise to the top that way.
― death in Skegness (seandalai), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:50 (nine years ago) link
Wire lists have been bad/boring for years and years. Remember when you'd pick up a December issue and you'd be like WHAT THE FUCK ARE THESE RECORDS then you'd hunt and find them and they'd mess you up?
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 00:59 (nine years ago) link
batshit craziness from the Tabs Out list:
http://bromptreb.bandcamp.com/album/abuse-abandon-abort
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 01:02 (nine years ago) link
damn: http://sprtthrn.bandcamp.com/album/nothingness
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
I'm kind of enjoying how little my list will have in common with any of these.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 03:03 (nine years ago) link
Anybody listen to the new Obituary album at the bottom of the Wire's avant rock list?
― aenaon genesis aevangelist (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 04:28 (nine years ago) link
Aphex Twin is on a lot of lists, but I can't see it beating out War on Drugs. Ecscpecially when FKA Twigs and St. Vincent both seem to be doing quite well on a lot of lists.
― MarkoP, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 04:55 (nine years ago) link
Re: Apex Twin, it is kind of a perfect fit for The Wire, though....it's iconic, it got a very enthusiastic full page review by them, and it probable is in the wheelhouse of the things many of their different writers cover. That, with the non-weighted ballots suggests an easy #! place. Plus it's a fantastic album! It's as good a #1 as I've seen on any list.
I'm surprised that some of the electronic albums I would have thought would place weren't on the list, like Perc's The Power and the Glory, Untold's Black Light Spirals, Ben Frost's A U R O R A, Inga Copeland's Because I'm Worth It, Vessel's Punish, Honey, Mr Mitch's Parallel Memories, Andy Stott's Faith in Strangers, Joey Anderson's After Forever. They were all fantastic albums and received good reviews in the magazine iirc.
was happy to see Fatima al Qadiri's Asiatisch (a great, very underrated album imo), the Pharmakon album, the Shackleton EP, Michael Pisaro's 3 disc set, Oren Ambarchi, Call Super, Cooly G, Carla Bozulich, and Dean Blunt. Looking forward to hearing Steve Gunn's two entries, Annea Lockwood, AMM, Eliane Radigue, The Drumm/Lescalleet erstwhile disc, and some of the other avant classical pieces, as well as all of the other artists I've never even heard of.
Overall, with the exception of the top spot, I think it's an adventurous list and a good one, at least judging by all the others we've looked at
And I could probably say the same about the FACT list
― Dan S, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 07:30 (nine years ago) link